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10-22-2009, 10:44 AM #1
whats better for east coast trees? 186 LP's or 188 S7's?
its been a few years since i skied out east, i've been skiing LP's for god knows how long now (creature of habit) but found a pretty good deal on some S7's.. the short radius, short running length and rocker all sound like they'd be great for the tighter trees.. but the 115mm waist would be pretty fucking big for me out west much less over here.. how much does it even snow? i've only tried one ski with rocker, lotus 138's and frankly i wasn't a fan. they were more fun in fresh snow for sure but it wasn't an earth shattering improvement.. it seemed like they'd be perfect for heli-skiing or cat skiing but on an average powder day inbounds i still spent a good chunk of my time on firm snow, hardback, and cat tracks getting from A to B and for that they really really sucked.
so what say ye?
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10-22-2009, 10:52 AM #2
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10-22-2009, 10:58 AM #3
Haven't skied the S7's, but my Lhasa Pows (rockered, 112) work well in eastern trees when the snow's soft; the float helps stay above the crap underneath, and IMO pivoting isn't that compromised by width; it's more about shape and rocker. Obviously 115's not gonna be great when the trees have hard moguls between them. Anyway, LP's would not be my first choice for trees anywhere, any conditions.
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10-22-2009, 11:06 AM #4
Tight East Coast trees are gonna be way more fun with a rockered, fun shape ski as opposed to the LP. Even when youre hauling ass in the tress, you still need to be able to bang out quick turns and you need to be able to dump speed easily.
And it snows enough to rock out with the S7's, as long as you are willing to drive for the good days and know where to go once you get there. Keep the LP's for the days when you want to bomb groomers or Tuckerman's.
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10-22-2009, 11:11 AM #5Registered User
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You back in Montreal for the season? Going to be spending most ski days down at Jay?
Both those skis are going to be too big for the terrain. Now someone is going to chime in how they ski 207 Duke's in the east and they love them, but I'd say most people will admit that the best all around performance in the east is going to be something at 100mm with a mid 20's turning radius.
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10-22-2009, 11:28 AM #6
I've skied both, neither on the east coast, but I have skied them both in tight trees and I would say S7 for sure
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10-22-2009, 12:02 PM #7
I love my 185 EP Pro's for east coast trees, you can really haul ass on them in the trees and turn on a dime to ditch speed thanks to the rocker. Once you lay them on edge, a rockered ski will grip just fine on soft groomers, and the s7's are way more versatile than my skis, so they will still be good in the chop
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10-22-2009, 12:07 PM #8
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10-22-2009, 12:19 PM #9
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10-22-2009, 12:24 PM #10
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10-22-2009, 12:27 PM #11
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10-22-2009, 12:33 PM #12
I think the S7s would make a fantastic EC tree ski. That being said, because you are used to your LPs, you may enjoy something with a tip rocker and flat tail. It will give you the maneuverability of a rockered ski with the turn completion and aft stability you're used to. Look at skis like the Czar, Lhasa, Sidestash, etc.
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10-22-2009, 12:40 PM #13
Wait so you already have the LPs anyways? Then of course get the S7s, to make an awesome two ski quiver. That being said the 2008 186 LP is one of my favorite skis and I found them awesome from pow, ice, to moguls. Might not be enough float on deep days but certainly adequate for just about everything else. So it depends on how big you want your quiver, LPs are predictable and will never disappoint. I skied the 186 Lhasa as more or less a one ski quiver last year (Squads as rock skis), the glass version made we want more stiffness. Looking to grab some carbon 191s in the near future. As of now I have some new 187 XXLs I'm prob gonna ski almost everyday out east. Turn radius preference is all up to the user so you decide.
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10-22-2009, 01:53 PM #14
If you are worried about the 115 waist on the S7, why not look into this years S3? You can get them in a 186cm and I think they are around 105 waist, with the same shape as the S7. Sounds like a perfect EC tree ski.
That said, having skied both LPs and owning the 188 S7s, even on days when it was super chopped up and crappy in the tight trees the S7s were awesome. Probably a lot more fun than LPs would be, although I havent skied the LPs for more than a couple days.
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10-22-2009, 02:18 PM #15
I am going to disagree with you here.
I skied a 188 Nobis for 2 seasons ans it wasnt too much ski. That was in like 03 or somehting. I slpit pow days at Jay between a 178 Hellbent and 186 Lahasa. Both are just fine for trees at Jay. People not on TGR, as well as Shirk, would be very surprised at all the 110+ waisted skis you see at Jay every day. I am not just taking about Big Jay after a dump here either.(and if it is gods will 191 splats next season.)
Grape- Are you looking for an honest everyday ski or a pow ski? We know the boards mentioned are versitile but I think there is a bit of a question to your question though.
Personally I feel that for EC have 1 ski under 100 ready for ice and everything else should be fun and fat.
and it never snows at JayA woman reported to police at 6:30 p.m. that she was being "smart-mouthed."
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10-22-2009, 02:46 PM #16Registered User
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I was thinking the same thing... Perfect combo. Keep LPs for early/spring season and ski S7s once things fill in. 115 with rocker should be great platform to ski over anything that can be found in the woods including your ski partners if they get in the way. For what it is worth I love my XXLs in VT trees and they are 110 or so under foot.
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10-22-2009, 02:48 PM #17
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10-22-2009, 03:18 PM #18
Laseranimal's recommendations for a solid EC style quiver goes something like this:
First,
Beater park/bump ski for early/late season thrashing and finding something to do if we're in a dry spell
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Burly/stiff ski with a waist @100mm for charging groomers between storms or killing crud 3 days after
And top off with,
Some kind of funshape with waist of @110+mm which will excel at skiing tight trees when its nuking snow
Given that you have LP's which more then cover #2, you should absolutely pick up S7's to round out the quiver.For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was
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10-23-2009, 07:49 AM #19
woah i didn't expect that many replies, i'm pretty sure the S3 would be more suited for the east coast than the S7.. but it'll be nice to have when i'm back out west for a couple weeks.. plus its a smokin' deal:
http://santabarbara.en.craigslist.or...432328446.html
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10-23-2009, 08:18 AM #20
You gotta have those skis, just to meet the owner!
With 3 pairs of PRs I'm sure you should off load the beater pair to me.
I also think you need that S7. 112mm isn't that big on a ski that shapely, it'll be fine everywhere. Even with your skiing.
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10-23-2009, 11:40 AM #21
It needs to be clarified that the OP meant Lhasa Pow (not Legend Pro). The title is confusing.
Obviously the S7 is better suited to the trees than a Legend Pro, but Lhasa vs. S7 seems like a good comparo.
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10-23-2009, 11:56 AM #22
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10-24-2009, 12:54 AM #23one-track mind
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