2007/2008 Black Diamond skis ?

**squaremountain_local** · 03-06-2007, 11:29 AM

Came across their European site seems like they already have next years models online:

http://www.skibd.com/gear.php

at least the designs have finaly been updated to the Kilowatt style.

SkiBumOfVT · 03-06-2007, 04:18 PM

ya they do look like the kilowatt

**bio-smear** · 03-06-2007, 04:26 PM

I think they've vastly improved the looks of their line. I have Verdicts and I think they're fugly. Interesting that they've widened the Verdict...I wonder if it's still the Formula One construction, or if they gone to a wood core on it too.

**pechelman** · 03-06-2007, 04:46 PM

looks like theyre all wood core?

also I want the zealot in a 182.
110mm waist + 4.2lbs = hawt

edit: worth noting that the havoc is longer in addition to being lighter, sounds like wood to me

**Chaka** · 03-06-2007, 05:03 PM

Zealot is a beeeeutiful ski. Confirmation on wood core? I would be curious in the flex estimates...

**Long Duck Dong** · 03-06-2007, 05:11 PM

Originally Posted by pechelman

looks like theyre all wood core?

also I want the zealot in a 182.
110mm waist + 4.2lbs = hawt

That would be kilos, not pounds.

**pechelman** · 03-06-2007, 05:36 PM

oh
well
good point
4.2lb was just what i wanted to see I guess or I just didnt even bother reading the units

4.62lb each, not as hawt, but still good.

**cold_smoke** · 03-06-2007, 05:49 PM

All I can say is that the Zealot must be wood core if I remember correctly from talking to the rep at SIA. And in addition, it was BY FAR the stiffest ski I flexed of any companies next years lines. I did not check out evrey ski, but of those I did (most big name big mtn skis) this seemed the burliest. no joke.

**GapersGoHome** · 03-06-2007, 10:11 PM

Originally Posted by cold_smoke

All I can say is that the Zealot must be wood core if I remember correctly from talking to the rep at SIA. And in addition, it was BY FAR the stiffest ski I flexed of any companies next years lines. I did not check out evrey ski, but of those I did (most big name big mtn skis) this seemed the burliest. no joke.

Stiffer than squads/ XXLs/ etc?

hmmmmmmm...... BD wasn't at the Reno show.

**laseranimal** · 03-06-2007, 10:36 PM

http://www.telemarktips.com/Interview14bird07.html

talks a little about the zealot

**squaremountain_local** · 03-07-2007, 01:40 AM

New Havocs have less camber (spelling?) than the previous models. And the design = 100x better = less stickers necesary.

**Tri-Ungulate** · 03-07-2007, 09:42 AM

Originally Posted by bio-smear

...I wonder if it's still the Formula One construction, or if they gone to a wood core on it too.

Both, kinda.

Formula One is the 3D design, and this remains as part of their CAD design philosophy, in order to maximize torsional stiffness/minimize weight, etc. Wood core for the entire (I think) line, as they have the CNC equipment up and running to make the cores conform to the F1 shapes.

**pechelman** · 03-07-2007, 10:00 AM

man
that video makes it really sound like BD is going to be a big big force in the ski industry in the near future. Big ski lineup, complete design and fab control, a new s3eecr3t binding, a new boot line, and some other stuff.

Front an engineering persepective it was also interesting to hear of their design philosophy with using very thin lightweight plys (up to 12!~) instead of the usual over\under heavyweigt triax. Id really love to sit down with their engineers and ask some questions.

**bio-smear** · 03-07-2007, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate

Both, kinda.

Formula One is the 3D design, and this remains as part of their CAD design philosophy, in order to maximize torsional stiffness/minimize weight, etc. Wood core for the entire (I think) line, as they have the CNC equipment up and running to make the cores conform to the F1 shapes.

I suppose I should have said Densolite vs wood.

**cold_smoke** · 03-08-2007, 02:42 PM

Originally Posted by GapersGoHome

Stiffer than squads/ XXLs/ etc?
hmmmmmmm...... BD wasn't at the Reno show.

I would have to say yes, but I did not do a side by side comparison, just remeber this expression on my face after flexing them...

**Joey Joe Joe Junior Shabadoo** · 03-08-2007, 02:56 PM

fatter Verdict, even fatter Zealot= me glad I am waiting to get a fatter AT setup until next winter.

**GFP** · 03-08-2007, 05:38 PM

Seems like next year's wood cores + tweaked dimensions have added a bit of weight. Both the verdict and havoc are .2 kg/pair heavier. Hope the performance more than compensates for the weight. Very anxious to ski the new havoc.

**Kevo** · 08-07-2007, 04:12 PM

By the looks of it, they have some SICK skis in the line up for 07/08. I'm definitely interested in the Zealots and Verdicts. I'm very excited to see if these make the infamous Fall '07 super deals proform that will be sent out later this year.

Anyone have any more information on these skis? Anybody in the industry get a chance to try them out yet?

**GBB** · 08-07-2007, 04:45 PM

I was just looking at their team riders, and was surprised to see Stian Hagen on there. That guy rips, and if I'm not mistaken he used to ride for Volkl. Either way good to see BD step it up.

The Zealots look $$ BTW.

**cj001f** · 08-08-2007, 01:20 AM

the BD usa website has been updated (www.bdel.com)

I like the 06 Verdict graphics

**pde20** · 08-08-2007, 11:53 AM

the 185 kilowatt still looks like the all around single quiver BC ski that I want in terms of all the specs...but I'm assuming that given the fact that the kilowatt was a mid season release, it isn't changing for this year and the reviews from last year were underwhelming at best. I guess a 180 Verdict is the next option, certainly don't want to go skinnier to a havoc, but dropping all the way to a 180 just don't seem right. 190 cm 102 waist seems overkill for a ski that will likely see as much mank, corn and sastrugi as it will powder. Any BD afficionados see convince me otherwise?

**The Dad** · 08-08-2007, 11:56 AM

What underwhelming reviews did you see?

**pde20** · 08-08-2007, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by alpinedad

What underwhelming reviews did you see?

Ok, so perhaps, mixed bag is a better descirption from rereading these threads:

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...light=kilowatt

http://tetongravity.com/forums/showt...light=kilowatt

PS: I think the new verdict graphics, while an impromvement over the previous ones, look like a cartoon S&M game.

**SkiED** · 12-18-2007, 10:16 AM

BD skis are a wood core, but its more like particle board then actual planks of wood...so if particle board counts then yes its a wood core. Also anyone heard anything about the new Reverse camber ski BD is working on for this year?

**fat yeti** · 12-18-2007, 12:09 PM

I saw it at the bird last weekend its around 127 under foot and looks sweet. I talked to the guy who was riding it, it looked like the salomon rocker but with more taper in the tail.

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