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03-15-2007, 11:24 PM #51"Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow, what a Ride!"
03-16-2007, 02:00 PM #52
I don't like to take a lot of pills, but when pain like this is involved, I will take the pills. But I do not go overboard, as I have an addictive personality and don't want to start any problems with potential addication. I am just being careful about it."boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy
03-18-2007, 10:50 AM #53
2 new things to share
I'm with Buzz. I'll take the advil for pain and inflammation since I only need them occasionally. No rules against comfort for me!
An issue I am encountering with the PT graft that I don't recall with the allograft is the rebounding stiffness I wake up with each morning. I spend each day working on my ROM, loosening up the patella (mob-ing), massaging any spots of fluid build-up and doing all the quad sets, straight leg raises, etc... as directed. I feel great on the way to bed...really limber and strong. But in the AM, my patella feels like someone super-glued it in place and the front of the knee feels very tight. I understand that this is due to scar tisssue that is being built up in the donor site. It's an annoying case of 2 steps forward, one step back.
The other thing that sucks (and it sucked last time too), is sleeping.The leg has this dead-weight feeling to it that drives me nuts.
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03-30-2007, 06:47 AM #54A fucking show dog with fucking papers
04-01-2007, 07:31 PM #55
One Month Post-Op
Pain: None really...except after standing/walking around for multiple hours, gets a bit swollen and tired, start limping more.
Stiffness: Minimal. Full extension still, 120+ degrees flexion. Feels good to go around full circle on the bike and work out the kinks in bending.
Weight Bearing: No problem. Even ok on stairs. Can stand on one (bad) leg with good stability. No brace, no crutches for last 2 weeks. Not wobbly at all.
PT Activities: Heavy focus on quad strength in extension with solid straight leg raises (at home 3x/day), cycling, hamstring and glut work, shuttle and squats (for quad strength in flexion). Still struggling a bit to loosen up scar tissue that prevents clean gliding of patella, but progress each day. Cycling helps this a lot. *Didn't have this as much with allograft.
Morale: Stoked. I am mobile (walking slowly!) and even made it up to Tahoe for the KW Comp festivities. Fun! Getting this graft really was not as bad as I thought it would be. If it means a potentially stronger outcome, it is totally worth it (so far...).
Was told the 6th-8th weeks are when you're really vulnerable because you feel great, but it's right about when the bones from your leg are fusing with the bone chunks on either end of the graft. You have to be super careful not to push too hard til you cross the 8 weeks mark.
Will report back then!Prrrrrrr....
04-03-2007, 02:07 PM #56
All the Best....
All the Best of luck SnowTigress.....next season has to be a better one than 06/07....
06-17-2007, 12:42 AM #57
3.5 months post op...an update
I can't believe it's been that long since the surgery! Been MIA on TGR for a while and thought I'd drop in with and update and say hey!
Knee is really strong. Graft is tight. Doing a lot of spinning, eliptical, glut, quad and hamsting work. Focus is on stablization using the whole muscular complex of the legs and torso, taking stress of hip flexors and joint. Feeling really tight and sore all the time from all the stregth training...but in a good way! I finally got back on my mtn bike with WaterSnowDirt and we did a mellow ride in Pacifica. I still ate shit and flew head first into some poison oak (scratch, scratch), but the knee was fine and I was stoked to be out there again!!
I have only one complaint at this point. The area around one screw is a inflammed and my PT thinks it's because of over-strengthening the quads vs. hammy. Working on balancing that out. So far so good. So far I have also avoided any patellar tendonitis. Woo hoo! I think PT is absolutely amazing. Such a delicate balance.
Though I can skip up stairs an jog briefly, I am still dreaming of trail runs, tennis and soccer. But PT urges me to wait for some time. She wants to make sure I am super strong and the whole joint has has its fair time to heal. Dont need a third acl surgery! I keep hearing about re-tears through her. At least 3 of her patients who had surgery around the same time as me are getting back out and doing stupid stuff too soon and coming in to the office in tears...back to the OR!! It's one thing to train aggressively to gain strength in the muscles and reduce swelling, but you can't force biological processes. It really does take a full year for everything to heal. And I'm gonna take it slow and steady....I wanna be skiing when I'm 90!! I've got 61 years to go!
See ya'll in 2008! Shout out to Walt Sob and Hemas who are in the same boat. Hang in there friends...and thanks for the posi vibes Steve!
- Tigress Over and OutPrrrrrrr....
06-18-2007, 07:04 AM #58A fucking show dog with fucking papers
08-29-2007, 01:47 PM #59
so we are 6 months post op.
all is great except I am growing a second knee cap where the screw is coming out. it's ginormous and really friggen painful. surgeon took one look and said, "wow, you're having a really bad reaction to those!" no kidding.
screws (that's right, 2 of em) out next thurs. looking forward to being painfree and DONE with the knee saga! should be simple IV sedation, unscrewing and 2 weeks of nothing too strenuous. Then I'm home free! Yahoo!!!! (Fingers crossed!)Prrrrrrr....
09-07-2007, 01:44 AM #60
Today was a great day.
Got some painful hardware removed finally, bringing this ACL-redo drama closer to the end. It had been many weeks of discomfort due to a few screws that had decided to start coming out of my tibia. They were causing all kinds of inflammation and adding to the scar tissue build up. Yuck! So they put me under once more (interesting how we went from discussion of a simple local anesthetic and possible iv sedation to full on general anesthesia...I’m not complaining, just weirded out by the huge discrepancy between talk and action ), and took those puppies out.
Before: seriously swollen, painful and gross…we’re talking fluid build up above and below the knee…and it jiggled when I walked. Hot. I know.
Look mom: two kneecaps!
Putting these under my pillow tonight...just in case there's a screw fairy.
Got a bit of pain, but nothing intolerable. Vitamin V is helping me out some.
Visions of trail running, mtn biking and skiing dancing in my head. Also planning on hitting the hills harder with the roadie. No more restless, painful leg! Ooh, and dont forget backpacking...and climbing....and windsurfing. Yayyy!
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09-07-2007, 05:11 AM #61
And great that they let you keep the screws... They are mucho expensive (I think my screws were over 250 € a piece).
As for climbing, I've been at it since 4.5 months post-op... Just be careful, don't do any absurd problems/routes (where ya have to really twist yer leg) and don't book a lot of airtime...
Funnily enough, I'm more or less to my original leisure climbing shape, OS 5.9's and occational 5.10 as well as flashing V2's... Heck, I've even managed to nearly flash a V3/V4 (I think it was pretty soft for the grade), and got it on the 2nd go.
Henkka, still missing an inchand some from my quad... But it's getting better and better all the time.Originally Posted by RootSkier
09-07-2007, 07:16 AM #62
thats great to hear henkka! glad you are doing so well!! thanks for checking in!
yeah, climbing will not be for a while for moi, but it will be one day. i do not plan to go in for a 4th knee surgery thank you very much!
and you're right on the screws...VERY expensive!! Gonna find something creative to do with mine!Prrrrrrr....
09-07-2007, 07:28 AM #63
09-10-2007, 12:41 AM #64
good idea, walt.
so how YOU doin'?
we gotta road bike soon! Moss Beach to pescadero and back, baby!! that's a good 70 miles! I'll be good to go in about 3 weeks. Gimme a ring!Prrrrrrr....
09-10-2007, 10:15 AM #65Registered User
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Tommorow will be 4 weeks post op for me. I'm doing really well in my opinion, I've got full extension and can bend to 124°. My only problem seems to be swelling right below the patella and the outer side of the knee.
09-10-2007, 11:34 AM #66Prrrrrrr....
10-24-2007, 09:04 AM #67Registered User
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That all being said, I am still avidly reading this board for the wonderful input from all. Thank you all very much for your insight. I am not looking forward to the rehab after surgery. One question: I am planning to take one week off of work (9 days) to recover before going back. Is that enough? I think I will be fine. I would love to know from all of you who have had this surgery what you think. Thanks in advance.
10-24-2007, 10:34 AM #68
I am a 3-time ACL loser, 2 hamstring autografts in the distant past and then an allograft this May. I was conflicted as well on whether to go for a allograft or a patellar tendon graft this last time. But my Surgeon, who was highly recommended by my primary physician and my PT person, wanted to go with the allograft due to my age (30's), my fondness for running, and for the initial recovery time being shorter.
And while I do think the initial recovery was shorter, the overall return to sports is a few months longer, 9-12 months as opposed to 6-9. I have been very vigilant at rehab 1.5-2hrs a day, and at 6 months I'm just returning to running. Granted, my doc has a slightly conservative return to activities program. But if you are an avid soccer player that's something to keep in mind.
I had surgery on a Wednesday and was back at work the following Wednesday and realistically could have gone back on the Monday, so I think 9days should be sufficient. But nine days out your mobility will obviously be restricted and if you are on your feet a lot at work you may want to consider a few more days. Other factors could be secondary damage in the knee- meniscus etc.
Good luck on whatever you choose.Move upside and let the man go through...
10-24-2007, 11:52 AM #69
a week to 10 days is pretty sufficient to get over the inital pain and begin to regain quad control. This could well be very different for you but on average this is typical. For you, if you would be able to sit in the OR instead of being on your feet it would better, if you do plan on getting back to work quickly, so that your knee does not swell.
2x ACL recon for me and work in the sports medicine profession as a certified athletic trainer. I was off crutches after 3 or 4 days after my second surgery(hamstring graft 1st, patellar tendon 2nd) and back to work after about 10 days.
10-25-2007, 06:45 AM #70
i just had allograft acl recon october 3rd and took two weeks off from work, but i honestly felt pretty good after one week so i think 9 days will be perfect. good luck. i'm a soccer player too, also played in college, and i know what a bummer it is to lose out on that- not to mention the ski season. rehab isn't too bad so far, so don't worry too much about that. it's really just putting the time in more than anything else. not incredibly painful.
10-28-2007, 08:48 PM #71Registered User
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Thanks very much to those who responded. Your input is very helpful. I really appreciate it. Again, great blog..
10-29-2007, 08:57 PM #72features a sintered base
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edit: to chime in on jmk's question, I'm also a two time ACL recon person (soon to be three, dammit), and for the last one I was back at work in four or five days, but I was able to keep my leg up for a good portion of the day and didn't have to stand too much. Anything over a week should be good for most people, unless you have to stand/move around a whole lot, then you might need more time.
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11-10-2007, 11:36 AM #73
See about surgeons. I BMX jumped ca. 500 000 times as kid.Now I am save.But say you did something 4 times you might not be good at it but need many many uses to be good at it.Same with surgery.So if a surgeon did one procedure 4 times and another 1000 , he might be better with it.Though many things can be transfered from procedure to procedure like sewing skin etc. .Looking for a doc with many OPs of that particular kind improves yor chances.At UNI clinicum you can go to hell my doc ma says as doctroral students are trying out their craft.Sure can get to old with to many procedures.
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02-08-2008, 01:35 AM #74
Do you see any indications that the western US is more accepting of the allograft while the rest of the US says the allograft is a weaker option? I can't validate it or not and was wondering if you've noticed any pattern like this.
I sure am having a tough time deciding on graft choice. My doctor says he does 95% allograft - due to people's choice. However, I believe that based on a statement like that - people will go with the flow and choose the allograft. I just don't know to how much degree is an allograft "weaker". I am pretty convinced I want to go the autograft route. I will leave it up to the Dr. which type of autograft he does the best.
02-08-2008, 07:33 AM #75
I just had my right knee scoped again (repaired meniscus tore and locked again after 2 years), but the allograft in that knee is still looking solid - I think that puts it at something like 3 1/2 years (and two meniscus injuries) on the allograft, but the ACL is holding up well.
I'm still happy with mine FWIW."Life should not be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in a pretty and well preserved body, but rather to skid in broadside, thoroughly used up, totally worn out, and loudly proclaiming, "Wow, what a Ride!"
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