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10-21-2008, 01:16 AM #226
10-21-2008, 01:42 AM #227
10-21-2008, 05:05 AM #228Registered User
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It seems Garmont Radium is missing from the list. This is the info I have received from Garmont:
Thus, Radium is supposedly about the same as Adrenalin. Does this match real world experience?
10-21-2008, 08:58 AM #229
I had a radium on one foot and an endorphin on the other and they were damn close. The endorphin was actually a little softer until it hit the stop on the tongue, then way stiffer, but overall (average?) similiar. Neither was 120 or 130 on the 'index' (presuming a lange, for instance, might actually be 120.) If the gun is 95 (as salomon says and the index at the top of this list says) then I would say the radium and endorphin are around 100, maybe even 105.
I was really surprised at how stiff the radium is. You'd have to find a reason not to choose it. Like not fitting.
Last edited by srsosbso; 10-21-2008 at 09:00 AM.
10-21-2008, 09:54 AM #230
only thing holding me backon the radium's right now is no feedback on lateral stiffness. My g-rides with stiff tongues have a stiff forward flex but are still noodles laterally. Unfortunately you can't get a feel for lateral stiffness in the shop.
10-21-2008, 12:48 PM #231Registered User
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I see that Scarpa's webpage is currently listing their flex ratings. Typhoon, Tornado, Skookum, and Spirit 4 ALL have flexes of 90 or 110, depending on the tongue I presume.
10-21-2008, 01:18 PM #232
Waiting for Bernardo to chime in about the Skookum ...
And I 5th the sticky idea.
10-21-2008, 01:30 PM #233
I am shopping for a stiff AT boot and for the eternal stiff race boot guy this thread is AT Boot 101 and then sum
10-21-2008, 06:25 PM #234Registered User
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posted here for information
Yep, Skookum can be resoled, as can anything in the SCARPA ski lineup. Though part of that is, of course, finding a good resoler with the proper hardware/machinery to do the job (not a lot out there), and, beyond that, someone who can get hold of an original spec sole to replace it with. For what it’s worth, SCARPA keeps a list of people who they authorize to do work on their boots, if anyone ever needs it.
Scarpa will get me that list and I'll post it up
EDIT: Here is the list of recommended people who can resole AT boots.
Gold Star Shoe Rebuilders Ltd
3308 Dunbar Street
Vancouver, BC V6S 2C1
Dave Page Cobblers in Seattle, 800.252.1229.
Rocky Mountain Resole in Salida, CO. 719.539.1455.
10-29-2008, 07:01 PM #235
Picking up the Skookum next week with new custom foot beds!
I'm definetly excited for a stiff AT Boot. (coming from G-rides)
It's going to make backcountry skiing SOOOO much better!
11-09-2008, 01:07 AM #236Registered User
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The list doesn't include the Dynafit Zzero U model, which is the translucent red boot. It's made out of polyurethane(gets stiffer in the cold) and comes with either a TF liner(Thermo Fit) or an MF liner(Multi Form). There don't seem to be any reviews of that boot anywhere. The only thing I was able to find was a comment that they were "stiff as all get out":
and dynafit's marketing:
The ZZero 4U is the polyurethane version of our 4-buckle range. With its transparent red color, this is the most striking and most downhill-oriented boot in the collection thanks to the PU reactivity (the fact that they become stiffer when cold).
My in shop experience:
I tried on a pair of size 30's in the Zzero U-TF model and they seemed to fit really well. They felt a little softer than Factor's(size 29.5) and Skookums(size 29.5) that I also tried on. However, as I understand it, the Zzero U's are made of PU, so they should feel stiffer while skiing. I couldn't tell much difference between the stiffness of the Factors and the Skookums. I felt some pain on either side of my forefoot while wearing the Factors, i.e. they felt narrow, so I think the Factors fit narrower than the Zzeros and the Skookums. I was told that the Factor liner is thinner(?) and therefore thermo fitting might not be able to alleviate the pain I was feeling.
The Factor's walk mode is much different than the other two boots: there was zero resistance in walk mode when I bent my ankle. With the other two boots, I still had to use some effort to flex the shell.
Black Diamond Factor: 4130g (9.1 lbs)
Scarpa Skookum: 3752g (8.3 lbs)
Dynafit Zzero U-TF: 3420g (7.5 lbs)
Last edited by happyriding; 11-11-2008 at 01:02 AM.
11-09-2008, 10:37 AM #237
/\ there is a thread somewhere else mentioning that the PU is not stiffer than the carbon, apparently the confusion was caused by a poor language translation.
11-10-2008, 03:00 AM #238
the PU is stiffer than the carbon at low temperatures, otherwise is more or less the same, but the weight is higher
11-24-2008, 07:54 AM #239
12-26-2008, 05:09 PM #240
bump for a sticky?For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was
12-27-2008, 02:43 AM #241
Indeed. Sticky. Silly to have to search for this (repeatedly)
12-31-2008, 08:02 AM #242
- Garmont Radium included with slghtly softer flex to Endorphin and Axon (these two upgraded to new 95 flex category).
- BD Method downgraded to 85 flex as it's softer than both Zzeus and Radium.
- General consesus seems to be that BD Factor is the stiffest AT boot out there.
- Long-time industry leader Scarpa seems to be lagging this year in terms of innovation (no 2009 overlap boot)
AND YES, STICKY WOULD ALSO MAKE MY UPDATING JOB EASIER. THANKS.
Last edited by Tony; 12-31-2008 at 08:27 AM.
12-31-2008, 09:26 AM #243
.......so is the factor. I had the same intuitions in each and the zeus was stiffer in forward flex. I guess I could believe the factor might be laterally stiffer but I haven't skied in it yet. Zeus is damn good in that department too though.
I still think the BD boots have a better quality of flex though. Smoove and progressive.
Funny how much better the options are even since you made this list the first time around. It's finally happeningSTRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
12-31-2008, 10:05 AM #244
what's really amazing is to think back about 5 years when it was basically the Denali or nothing if you wanted a boot that was reasonable for the downhill. now the choice is almost bewildering for a simple fella like mefur bearing, drunk, prancing eurosnob
12-31-2008, 10:07 AM #245
08' Zzero carbons(green)
12-31-2008, 10:40 AM #246
12-31-2008, 10:47 AM #247
It's nuts now much those zeus boots stiffen up in cold weather. It's actually making me think that warm spring touring days are going to make my boots into slippers.
That boa liner does seem like it does a really good job of taking up liner squish.....better than the zeus liner for sure.STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
01-05-2009, 11:31 AM #248
zzeus felt much more solid to me
i also believe that UAN will agree with this
and to add a little axon review and input
and as usual, my flex rating is about 10-15 points lower than what you have posted. (ie its safe to say we agree as we are differing by a consistent amount)
bump because i sent my Zzero4's in for the toe crack warranty and have been using the axons since then (before xmas)
(stole this from an email i sent to a friend and edited it, so if it reads weird you know why)
so now i have a good ~10 days or so on the axons (50/50 resort/bc)
i really didnt count, but it gives you an idea of how much time i have in them
50/50 days in naxos/dynafits
those axons are OK boots, imho
i dont like them for touring as the cuff comes too high imo
makes my right hip flexor hurt (i think my right leg is the longer of the two) - (never have had hip flexor pain in my zzeros)
walk mode is OK with a bit of rear compliance and good amount of forward. not as good as the zzeros but better than something like the zzues (in my store testing) or my old freeride aeros.
ski mode is a little stiff in some nastier snows but is fine for straight pow and great for hardpack resort conditions
the more upright of the two ski modes i think might be too upright or the boot just to stiff for my tastes as i constantly was fighting to get out of the backseat on skis i know very well and never had any trouble with in my freeride aeros or zzeros....perhaps its just the big jump in stiffness making the momentary balance changes more pronounced? i dont know, ymmv.
theyre heavy which is bad for obvious reasons and good for bashing through stuff.
really, this is the boot for people who want vibram and walk mode on their lange 120s\xwave 80+s\etc
ie not me
having skied in xwave8s a ton (flex of 90 according to solly), I would rate the axons around a 75-80 with excellent lateral stiffness. I no longer ski in my xwaves unless i break out the race sticks for one of those days.
also, the tounge has that cambered shape where its radius of curvature was smaller than that of the boot so you had to crank the buckles one more notch than would have been necessary had they matched. the boot plastic seemed thick\heavy enough though so that you didnt create two\one hotspots where the buckles were
i might have actually liked how the tounge applied a downward pressure due to this difference in shape
I mention this because ive heard mention about other garmont boots having this same feature and then causing hot spots on some of the lighter boots, especially when using mod'ed tounges or something
really really really want my zzeros back
01-09-2009, 09:27 AM #249
sticky this already bitchesFor sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was
01-09-2009, 10:48 AM #250
Talked with couple of friends about that today,other said that they felt about the same and the other tought factor had been stiffer when he tried but didnt fit her foot.
You mean solid in a construction wise way,more solid feeling liner (factors liner is kind mushy) or just plain ol´stiffer laterally and normally?
Just out of curiosity.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
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