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03-01-2004, 03:59 PM #1
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Utah legislators hard at work (NSR, but beer related)
Don't these people have larger issues to legislate on?
Just One Liter of Beer, Utah Legislators Say
LAST UPDATE: 3/1/2004 3:14:15 PM
The Utah Legislature is moving to limit the amount of beer people can order at a table to one liter per adult.
State law already bans patrons at restaurants and bars from ordering more than one drink at a time. Now lawmakers are moving to prohibit mugs containing more than a liter of beer.
The Utah House of Representatives approved the change on Monday. It was part of 134 pages of amendments to the state's expansive liquor laws, which control everything from the precise metering of mixed drinks to the disposition of private wine collections.
The House made a few revisions to Senate Bill 58 on Monday before returning it to the Senate for a final legislative vote.
Rep. Ty McCartney, a Salt Lake Democrat, said the bill will make it illegal for a restaurant patron or clubgoer to order a pitcher of beer for friends until every one of the friends has arrived at a table.
Visitors to Utah will find that rule bizarre, he said.
Republicans said the one-liter rule would cut down on alcohol consumption. McCartney said people still can "just order one liter after one liter after one liter."
He called it "an artificial attempt" to limit over-consumption.
"This is not bizarre to tell people we want to serve them beer one liter at a time," said Rep. Stephen Urquhart, R-St. George. "A liter is a fair amount of beer. A pitcher is quite a bit of beer."
Urquhart said one liter "is a good place to draw the line."
Senate Bill 58 makes further refinements to another Senate bill approved a year ago that made the most sweeping changes to Utah's liquor rules in a decade.
The new bill lets the state liquor commission revoke a drinking establishment's license if it fails to report a change in ownership or switch in managers to the state Department of Alcoholic Beverage Control.
Legislators are making no changes to Utah's cumbersome membership system for full-service liquor clubs.
Patrons still have to sign up to become members and pay dues before imbibing at a saloon. Dues are $4 for three weeks or $12 a year.
Utah's tight controls on liquor come from its Mormon heritage. Followers of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, who settled the state as a religious homeland, are told to avoid alcohol.
Today, a strong majority of the state's population is Mormon, and church members have a hold over liquor policy.
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03-01-2004, 04:12 PM #2
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Clearly they're helping the common drinker. How many times have you ordered too much beer and had it get warm on you? It's all about not wasting beer. And that's a good ting.
If you have a problem & think that someone else is going to solve it for you then you have two problems.
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03-01-2004, 04:14 PM #3
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your state is kooky
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03-01-2004, 04:22 PM #4
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My poor liver. When you have to order one at a time it just means you order the next one as soon as you get the first and end up chugging it when you see the next one on its way out. (Since the waiter has to pick up one to set down the next.)
Obviously the people writing this crap have never really paid attention to how any of this works...
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03-01-2004, 04:28 PM #5Blurred Elevens Guest
Always take your Camelback to the bar full of Jim. Problem solved.
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03-01-2004, 04:34 PM #6
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Simply fuking unbelievable. Seriously, these schmucks that keep getting reelected have got to have something better to do with taxpayer time/money!
The drinking population will continue to figure ways around these lame ass laws like altagirl pointed out. Thank god they don't have people who actually drink helping write leglislation. Next thing we know, they will have convicted DUI offenders helping.
When I moved here I found myself getting drunker at bars because of the "chug law" which as since been changed.
Does the general Utah Polulation really want this? This is the same population that complains about to much goverment when the Hate Crime Laws were being discussed.
I'm paying these idiots to pass these laws?
Christ.
Mrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me.
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03-01-2004, 04:34 PM #7
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Utah, the state where it's not acceptable behavior to use a pitcher as your "mug".
Oh, and no kegs.
And no cold real beer.
And Sponsors.
Good thing it snows a lot there.
Skiing, where my mind is even if my body isn't.
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03-01-2004, 04:51 PM #8
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Next thing coming will be customs booths installed at various bootlegging points along the Coloraddy, Wyoming, and Nevada borders to ensure that you are only bringing chocolate milk with you. These people are idiots and are only going to hurt the tourism dollar in the future...
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03-01-2004, 04:55 PM #9
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OK. Now look into your hat and tell me the story of why people that don't ski live there?
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03-01-2004, 05:02 PM #10
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Actually, they pretty much already have this in place. Took me all of 20 Utah miles before being pulled over for a traffic stop owing to a crack in my windshield, that, although it obscured the hood of my vehicle, needed to replaced "as soon as possible".Originally posted by Squirrel99
Next thing coming will be customs booths installed at various bootlegging points along the Coloraddy, Wyoming, and Nevada borders to ensure that you are only bringing chocolate milk with you. These people are idiots and are only going to hurt the tourism dollar in the future...
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03-01-2004, 05:23 PM #11
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One liter???
Wow, has the US finally seen the light and gone metric
Steve
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03-01-2004, 07:30 PM #12
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Seriously, these people don't realize how much tourism plays a part in the gov. income and how much this disuades people from coming here. Sure, as locals we know we can get around it like altagirl said, but people visiting from out of state don't know and it just perpetuates the myth that we are a dry state.Originally posted by Squirrel99
These people are idiots and are only going to hurt the tourism dollar in the future...
This affects not only me personally, but also my companies and it really pisses me off. Writing letters tonight, passing the word to the chamber, and political contributions are starting to look worth it.
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03-01-2004, 08:07 PM #13
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damn, I couldn't even imagine that compared to here. To be a common criminal because you have a kegerator? BLASPHEMY!
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03-01-2004, 08:13 PM #14
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is this nsfw?
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03-01-2004, 08:48 PM #15
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Yes its also hilarious!!!Originally posted by Geoff
is this nsfw?Its not that I suck at spelling, its that I just don't care
Days on snow 12/13 season: 67
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03-02-2004, 01:21 PM #16
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Well, I guess I consider myself lucky for transporting numerous bottles and kegs from Jackson, Evanston, and Coloraddy and not meeting up with the Utah Customs Enforcement Bastards
For those who have never lived in Utah, the voting is different here:
Republican = Non-Drinker (makes the word 'conserverative' in other states seem like it's liberal)
Democrat or Independent = Drinker
So Vote Dem to git rid of the Nazi establishment, unless this new liter rule is just a ploy to keep Alta/Bird and Basin free from more immigration and powder junkies
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03-02-2004, 01:29 PM #17
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Is Utah part of the United States? Unbelievable
'Cause You Can't You Won't And You Don't Stop ~MCA
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03-02-2004, 01:48 PM #18
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Only because of the US Army.Originally posted by DaveTV
Is Utah part of the United States? UnbelievableMrs. Robinson, you're trying to seduce me.
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03-02-2004, 01:50 PM #19
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Umm... just to point out: You're only allowed to order 1 liter of beer (a Stein) per person at a time at the Oktoberfest in Munich.
The reason: they don't want you to swipe the mugs.
The effect on net Beer consumption: None.
BFD. A liter of beer is more than two pints! Just pretend you're doublefisting pintglasses. Now if they would address (read - remove) the idiotic 3.2% rule...
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03-02-2004, 02:09 PM #20
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What are the weed laws like in Utah - they burn you at the stake?
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03-02-2004, 02:14 PM #21
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In high school we used to head to Moab a ton on the weekends, also used to joke that a Durango liscense plate guaranteed a visit with the Utah Highway patrol. Unfortunately it was more often true than not, I still don't speed much from Monticello to Moab.Originally posted by Mountain Junkie
Actually, they pretty much already have this in place. Took me all of 20 Utah miles before being pulled over for a traffic stop owing to a crack in my windshield, that, although it obscured the hood of my vehicle, needed to replaced "as soon as possible".
Cracked Windsheild, a cracked, not broken taillight, too many people in the vehicle, etc., etc.
Lots of my friends got tickets for various alchol/drug related offenses as a result of BS traffic stops.
And DaveTv, it's not burning at the stake but it's not light either.Skiing, where my mind is even if my body isn't.
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03-02-2004, 02:27 PM #22
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per person, not per table.Originally posted by Tippster
Umm... just to point out: You're only allowed to order 1 liter of beer (a Stein) per person at a time at the Oktoberfest in Munich.
and it's incorrect to call what you're ordering a 'stein', you order a 'mass'. a bavarian lady hanging out of her dirndl corrected me on that one. mmm... beer.“Money has never been my god — never.” - The Chief
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03-02-2004, 03:50 PM #23
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Possession of <1oz = $1000 fine and up to 6 monthsOriginally posted by DaveTV
What are the weed laws like in Utah - they burn you at the stake?
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