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  1. #26
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    Quote Originally Posted by danhikeski View Post
    oh, didn't think of that, I wasn't really trying to pick apart your work, just thought it was a typo after doing so much work
    no worries
    I thought the same thing as you when I pasted it in there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhikeski View Post
    re: freerides, should that be toe shim, not heel shim?


    nope definately a heel shim, I was worried that I'd manage to torque the toepiece out while skinning if I removed the toe shim, so I put a small shim under the heel and used longer screws, it accomplished the same result as removing the toe shim. Only problem is the heel might be a tiny bit sloppier but I never noticed it with AT boots. Now that I've switched back to an Alpine boot that has a wedge under the heel inside the boot, I really didn't need the shim anymore so I took it off.

    Hope that helps



    oh yeah and nice work with the list!
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    Quote Originally Posted by laseranimal View Post

    oh yeah and nice work with the list!
    thanks!

    some of the credit also needs to goto laseranimal as he posted up a good bit of info in UAN's thread as well.

    thanks to you man

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    OK. weighted a few of my skis:

    2003/04 St÷ckli Stormrider DP
    186 cm; 123/91/111 mm; radius on ski 26,3 m; 4428 grams

    2005/06/07 Karhu Jak BC
    186 cm; 124/90/113 mm; 3616 grams

    V÷lkl Explosiv (Maroon Buddha)
    190 cm; 120/95/112 mm; 4236 grams

    Though all skis are drilled and somewhat used, so new skis will most likely be somewhat heavier (espicially the DP).

    And Sticky, PLEASE!!!
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    You should post naked pictures of this godless heathen.

  5. #30
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    Sending you an email to the address you listed. This is the spread sheet I have put together. maybe you can pull some useful info and add to yours.

    Well Done!

    And how about a sticky!

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    head monster im103 pro - 5700g at 193cm
    v÷lkl gotama 04/05 - 4600g at 190cm
    k2 seth vicious - 4900g at 179cm
    salomon ak rocket swallowtail 05/06 - 4800g ski
    salomon pocketrocket (the first one) - 4100g 185cm
    v÷lkl explosiv (i forgot which one) - 4100g at 180cm
    k2 fujative 05/06 - 3600g at 169cm
    volant sptula - 5900g

    freak~[&]

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    Quote Originally Posted by pechelman View Post
    thanks!

    some of the credit also needs to goto laseranimal as he posted up a good bit of info in UAN's thread as well.

    thanks to you man

    i had my own little thread but nobody paid attention to it, cause I'm not a rockstar like UAN

    anyway the credit goes to you for putting it all in one place
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    bump for a sticky?
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    addition to the bindings list

    Silvretta 300 1660g pair
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    Armada JP vs. Julien from last season in 188 cm (I think, both for specs and year) 126/103/116 mm.

    A pair weights 3723 grams, provided a pair of Salomon S912 TI weights 1980 grams.

    And bump for sticky...
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    You should post naked pictures of this godless heathen.

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    bump cause i updated the charts with some more stuff

    and I bought a scale at office depot so now Im dangerous

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    Can we get a sticky on this please? I look at this all too often.

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    pair of freeride toe shims weigh 76 g

    freeride without toe shim = 1976 g

    and can we sticky this bitch yet
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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    STICKY PLEASE!

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    ^^^what he said

    Exactly the info I've been lookin for.....thanks

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    A couple more:

    Volkl CMH Explosiv 180cm w/Freerides/Brakes 6300g
    skis only 6300-2088=4212g
    Dynafit D812 180cm 111-72-101 w/ Comforts 3600g
    skis only 3600-850=2750g
    Dynafit FR10 168cm w/Comforts 3550g 112-88-108
    skis only 3550-850=2700g

    Anyone with a weight for Atomic Snoop Daddy/Kailas?

    Nice work. And my wife thinks I'm a geek.

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    I am definitely putting together a backcountry rig...

    '03 Atomic Big Daddies+ mounting plates+ alpine trekkers+ Lange plug boots= 35+ Lbs of baddness up, but goodness on the way down.

    I'm also getting in great shape lugging all that crap (grin).

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    Nice list, however I think there is a problem with the base area.

    they look to all be around 20 cm^2...that cannot be right. Take a 100 mm waist, 180 cm ski. Completely ignoring the extra area on the tips and tails, that is 10 cm * 180 cm = 1800 cm^2. Did I miss something about the measurement?

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    The calcs are off by a factor of 100. But since its all relative - no big deal.

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    Fischer atua 186 cm. 129-96-119
    2040 g one ski
    2090 g the other
    4130 g the pair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powow View Post
    Nice list, however I think there is a problem with the base area.

    they look to all be around 20 cm^2...that cannot be right. Take a 100 mm waist, 180 cm ski. Completely ignoring the extra area on the tips and tails, that is 10 cm * 180 cm = 1800 cm^2. Did I miss something about the measurement?
    Ill double check some things
    could be one of my formulas for estimating the base area.
    Itll be in the next update, whenever that is.

    Thanks!

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    I've been thinking of posting this for a while, now I had some spare time so I printsc'd my excel spreadsheets of ski geometry.
    All numbers are measurements of one ski.

    I'll explain the norwegian if there is something you don't understand:

    Modell= name of ski
    år=year
    så lgd=length
    kr lgd=length without tips (running length)
    bt lgd=back tip length
    ft lgd=front tiplength
    f ski=front ski length
    b ski=back ski length
    %=percent mounting point
    tot%=percent with tips
    bak=reference width back ski
    midt=width mid ski
    fram=reference width front ski
    tupp=widest tip width
    R=meters turning radius
    bt ar=back tip area
    kr ar=runing length area
    ft ar=front tip area
    tot ar=total area
    bt=back tip height
    ft=front tip height
    sp=camber
    bak=thickness thinnest at back
    midt=thickness thickest middle
    fram=thickness thinnest front
    gr=weight (of one ski)
    gr/cm²=weight/total base area

    freeride skis:



    bc jib skis:


    jib skis:
    Last edited by endre; 03-17-2007 at 11:03 AM.

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    that is one impressive spread sheet

    how did you calculate your areas?
    is your camber measurement of just one ski on a flat surface or base to base?

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    the camber is one ski towards a flat surface.
    the area of the ski is the rectangle-the two circle segments+the area of the tips. i use different formulas for the tips, according to shape. as you can see in the spreadsheet I add and subtract a bit to compensate for unusual shapes.

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    thanks for the sticky

    can we do it with the AT boot flex index as well?
    For sure, you have to be lost to find a place that can't be found, elseways everyone would know where it was

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