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Thread: FUCK YOU BP
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08-08-2006, 02:23 PM #51Registered User
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Originally Posted by BLOOD SWEAT STEELElvis has left the building
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08-08-2006, 02:30 PM #52
Same bullshit that led up to the oil spill. You should also say FUCK YOU STATE OF ALASKA alas we spend very little money on enviromental enforcement and alow huge companies for royal carribean to BP dump as much shit as they want into our state and look the other way.
Its not that I suck at spelling, its that I just don't care
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08-08-2006, 02:33 PM #53Charger
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Until we start to conserve the oil companies are going to be able to bend us over. It really is a supply and demand issue!
Yea, I love how we bitch about the price of gas and buy water for $8 a gallon; $1 for 16oz. A Nalgene costs $5 and water is free.
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08-08-2006, 02:34 PM #54Originally Posted by mtbakerskier
Most people buying Hybirds now are doing it for the environment, rather than saving money."Steve McQueen's got nothing on me" - Clutch
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08-08-2006, 02:35 PM #55Charger
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You may want to start to panic. I heard last week the beer prices were going to be increasing.
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08-08-2006, 02:36 PM #56Registered User
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Originally Posted by StaircaseElvis has left the building
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08-08-2006, 02:39 PM #57Originally Posted by Shaggy
i've often wondered how long america can sustain itself with it's car based infrastructure. at some point, it'll be too expensive to drive that long commute from the burbs into the city. but how long will that be?
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08-08-2006, 02:39 PM #58Originally Posted by mtbakerskier
Next year? - The decisionmakers will take thier bonus and be somewhere else by then and the mess'll be someone else's problem.
Lack of a longer time-horizon has been the downfall of many cultures/societies thru history. Sad to say we appear to be enduring one of those times now.Good runs when you get them.
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08-08-2006, 02:57 PM #59Originally Posted by Squirrel99People should learn endurance; they should learn to endure the discomforts of heat and cold, hunger and thirst; they should learn to be patient when receiving abuse and scorn; for it is the practice of endurance that quenches the fire of worldly passions which is burning up their bodies.
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08-08-2006, 02:59 PM #60The Jerk
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Back at the beginning of the last century the oil/auto industry lobbied for the right, then bought up and torpedoed many public transit systems that were already in place in cities across the country.
If the public wants their trolly cars back, they will have to write many strongly worded letters.
But I doubt any lack of public demand for oil will eliminate plans for drilling in Alaska.One monkey don't stop no show.
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08-08-2006, 03:03 PM #61Originally Posted by Mcwop
In fact, buying a new car solely to improve fuel ecconomy is usually not economical at all, enviromentally or monetarily. Consider the enviromental cost of building a new car: energy (probably coal-generated) used, byproduct handling/disposal, etc for the whole manufacturing chain -- from matreial sourcing to finished product. Not to mention damage done by mining operations.
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08-08-2006, 03:16 PM #62rain
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Originally Posted by Shaggy
As far as hybrids, do the math sometime. Compare the cost of a hyrbid/non hyrbid model of car, the gas mileage, and you fuel savings. I did this when considering a hybrid ford escape. It would take 6 years before you made up the price difference in the price through savings in fuel. I don't know about ya'll, but most people that could afford one of these hybrids isn't going to keep it for more than 4 years....So if you look at it from a conservation point of view, higher gas prices are a good thing, as it will make alternatives that much more attractive.
You "environmentalists" can't have it both ways at once....Cheap gas and conservation can't come hand in hand unless there is some major social change that takes place......
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08-08-2006, 03:19 PM #63
Conversely, those 4 year old hybrids will make economic sense at the reduced price, as well as reap the potential emission benefits.
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08-08-2006, 03:20 PM #64Originally Posted by Staircase
I'm of the opinion that oil, being a commodity that the entire worlds society, infrastructure, existence depends on, should warrant a different set of rules that aren't PURE free-market....and really is it a "pure" free market or are there policies and systems in place that enable them to cash in to a greater degree without really being subject to the full arsenal of "free market" forces (again, asking seriously)?
...besides, the amount of handouts these companies get from the gov't (aka the people) to build their own infrastructure should make them want to give back to that society rather then raking in profits never before seen without investing anything back to the society that created them in the first place, no....
...and P - we can have it both ways, the problem is we're at the mercy of the corporate giants that want at all cost to keep the status quo...keep the cash cows mooing is what is all about...to the detriment of progress imho...
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08-08-2006, 03:23 PM #65rain
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Originally Posted by cj001f
Supply and Demand drive a psuedo-capitlist country's economy. It is the basis for all trade and markets.
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08-08-2006, 03:24 PM #66Registered User
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Originally Posted by P_McPoserLast edited by cj001f; 08-08-2006 at 03:27 PM.
Elvis has left the building
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08-08-2006, 03:29 PM #67
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08-08-2006, 03:29 PM #68Originally Posted by P_McPoser
Bring it! I want the Hummer Dealership closed. Put the squeeze on us, I am tired of all the BS.
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08-08-2006, 03:34 PM #69Registered User
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Originally Posted by Cono EsteElvis has left the building
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08-08-2006, 03:38 PM #70rain
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Originally Posted by CorkyLast edited by P_McPoser; 08-08-2006 at 03:40 PM.
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08-08-2006, 03:40 PM #71
I'd comment on this thread but I don't have time to grab facts from the internet.
All I know is just typing on my lit computer screen is wasting energy, and the amount of energy used to create, and ship all the crap on my desk.
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08-08-2006, 03:42 PM #72Originally Posted by mrw
I own a company that is based in large part with face to face meetings with our clients. My fuel costs are huge, and I have turned down business if it's too far from our offices or if they don't seem committed enough over the phone. In those cases I try to avoid the visit and do everthing over the phone, only at a certain point where it looks like a sale is right around the corner do I get in the car and go over for a visit. Oh, and NO ONE gets a discount anymore.
Good Luck,
Jay
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08-08-2006, 03:43 PM #73Originally Posted by TomK
And apparently stopping maintenance was win/win for them if I understand what you are advocating. Win because they can write off maintenance expenses, or win because now they have this fucking massive liability that lets them jack up prices to cover their anticipated costs. Oh and make a few bucks off the lower supply too.
And, just for clarification, these guys that are getting the idiotically massive payout packages are going to rely on the company retaining some form of solvency in the future to fund said packages. Further incentive to fix their damn pipes.
There's no short-term solution that would have a significant economic and environmental benefit. Only thing we can do is sack up and start making some long-term plans rather than this short term whiny crap. Gas will run out. The Earth is not going to support so much pollution for much longer apparently. These have all already been established over and over and over.
What's my solution? Don't have one. If I did i'd be a rich bastard though. All I can do is turn off the lights and tv in my place when not in use, take shorter showers, use recycling facilities more often, drive less, and contribute to the collective trying to change shit. No one-day boycott idiocy, no ripping off the man in hopes of getting my piece before it all goes to shit, just taking the steps we all should be doing anyway.
Wow. I got angry. Ah well, back to bank reconciliations.
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08-08-2006, 03:44 PM #74rain
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Originally Posted by cj001f
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08-08-2006, 03:44 PM #75Originally Posted by Cono Este
Did anybody mention Bush's best friend is the grandson of the founder of Exxon? Google "William Farish". He just retired from the ambassadorship to England last July, and there is a serious connection to the Bush fam. Gave em their dog, x-mas dinner the last 30 odd years, etc. Coincidence oil is going through the roof? Probably.Screw the net, Surf the backcountry!
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