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09-12-2006, 01:42 PM #51
Plakespear. There is real wold wear and tear on the DIN systems so they are created to work within a range of component wear.
Originally Posted by pechelmanOriginally Posted by blurred
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09-12-2006, 04:01 PM #52Registered User
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Originally Posted by ulty_guy
The non-Dynafit AT bindings that I've seen have the afd at an angle to
accommodate the upturned toe (boot rocker) that is present in AT boots.
Alpine bindings have little-to-none of that angle. The boot toe contact
areas, therefore, are completely different when you put an AT boot into an
alpine binding vs putting a DIN standard alpine boot into one. How this
affects the boot/binding release characteristics is an open question.
cheers,
john
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12-12-2006, 10:16 AM #53
Bump for Jongs with limited searching skillz
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12-12-2006, 10:36 AM #54
True, I cannot search my way out of...the screen door in a submarine.
Most enlightening thread. It confirms my gut. will mount the AT binders on something.
Thanks for the shared wisdom Core Shot et al
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12-12-2006, 07:31 PM #55
So... has anybody put an AT boot into a new 914 binding to see if it contacts the AFD correctly?
If so, then the 914/AT boot combo might warrant another test on if somebody has access to them and a testing machine.
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02-26-2009, 01:33 PM #56Registered User
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bumpity bump. Have some old Scarpa Titans (silver, 3-buckles and a strap) that I'm gonna try in some Salomon 912 TIs. These are for groomer days. I'll let you know how my knees hold up.
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02-26-2009, 02:46 PM #57
I love that this thread is over 5 years old.
AT boots + P12s continue to be a winning combo (semiturntable, moving AFD, auto-toe height + vertical release and auto wings).Originally Posted by blurred
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02-27-2009, 06:14 AM #58Hugh Conway Guest
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08-25-2009, 10:00 AM #59
Keeping it going
Just looking for some info... search cam up empty. I got my hands on some atomic FFG 12 with adjustable toe height and moving AFD (AKA 07 salomon 912). These will go on the GF's skis so release is more important than if they were mine.
Her only boot is the Scarpa Diva and lugging heavy boards with heavy AT bindings up the Ridge at Bridger is proving to be taxing for her. We are in the process of getting her lighter boards but figured why not lighten it up all the way around. She has a Dynafit setup for touring so that function is lost on this setup.
I am not looking for someone to say that her knees will be forever fine. I am just hoping some one has tried this. I saw that it was talked about by Summit but that seemed to be the end of it.a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
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08-25-2009, 10:34 AM #60Registered User
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Personaly I have enough problems with women let alone fucking up my GF's legs ...I would say let your GF decide
and jjredho has the reasoning nailed for me about 8 posts back
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08-25-2009, 12:04 PM #61
hmm
I just dont see how it could be any different that a naxo toe, they both have a rounded afd. Maybe I am off with my logic but it seems to have everything it needs to be as safe as any AT binding....
I guess there is only one way to find out..... I was just hoping someone else tested this before i drilled the skis..... maybe ill mount them on a 2x4.....
I found this shot on epic of the AFD, mine is all black and harder to see.
Last edited by rludes025; 08-25-2009 at 12:22 PM. Reason: Picture
a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
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08-25-2009, 12:14 PM #62worm turn
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The lower the DIN setting, the less consistent release is going to be. If she's a lightweight running low settings, it might be a bad idea to add friction to the system (and a boot that may flex or deform more in the binding before releasing.
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08-25-2009, 12:33 PM #63Registered User
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if you compare the design of a din boot & binding to an AT boot and binding :
the alpine boot has a completely flat plastic sole which is well lubricated by water/snow ,it aint made for walking ...anyone who has fallen on their ass on a wet floor knows this ,also the din soles are thinner than AT soles
an AT boot has a curved vibram sole which is a friction device designed to facilitate walking
an alpine binding can and does have the AFD closer to the toe piece because the din sole on an alpine boot is completely flat also the clamping action of an alpine is designed for a much thinner sole
an AT binding has the AFD further back from the toe piece so the AFD can contact the flattest part of the afformentioned curved AT sole
still you are dealing with rubber which besides being curved is a friction material that also compresses ... much more varibility than hard/smooth/flat plastic
even an alpine boot in an AT binding designed to work with either/or will just performs better and an alpine boot & binding combo will just perform better againLast edited by XXX-er; 08-25-2009 at 12:46 PM.
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08-25-2009, 12:48 PM #64
damn afd's
a positive attitude will not solve all of your problems, but it may annoy enough people to make it worth the effort
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10-01-2010, 09:02 PM #65
Shaman AT soles with FKS 140
Bringing up an ancient thread--on my first post--so my flak jacket is on.
Anybody know if the Garmont Shaman AT sole works OK with the FKS 140 toe?
I would like to get a set of Rossi FKS140's put on my Mantras, but my ski shop is telling me if I want to use non-din AT soles I need to get a toe with adjustable height, and the only comparable alpine binder they have with the height adjust toe is the Solly 14 Driver. Now I don't know if they're overreacting from a liability standpoint, but the Shaman AT soles are kind of a hybrid AT sole and not the thicker Vibram sole on my Adrenalines.
I'm not gonna be using Vibram soles in the FKS, I just would like to know if anyone has seen or used the (less aggressive Shaman) AT sole with an FKS type toe.
Thanks!
Btw, I already have a dedicated AT set up of Naxo's and Adrenalines so I'd rather like to avoid the Dukes.Last edited by Kim Jong-un; 10-01-2010 at 09:13 PM.
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10-01-2010, 11:58 PM #66
^^^
I do not recommend it.
That boot comes with both AT and DIN/ISO soles. Use the alpine soles they come with, not the AT soles. The AT soles are for AT binders only even though they don't look as beefy as a traditional lugged AT sole such as Vibram. The composite is still pretty soft and grippy- don't be fooled by the less aggressive appearance. To be honest, I'm surprised the shop knew enough to tell the diff.
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10-02-2010, 12:33 AM #67
Trust your shop rat. He's right this time. Go for the Solly with adjustable toe height - but know that even then, it still won't truly be a 'compatible' setup. (Doesn't meet exact DIN specs.)
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10-02-2010, 06:05 AM #68
Ok got it. Thanks guys.
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10-02-2010, 07:10 AM #69
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10-02-2010, 09:45 AM #70
I have done side by side torque tests with alpine and AT boots. They release MUCH nicer on the bench without any weight on the rubber soles. When you try to twist out of the toe while standing in your boots - forget it! Knee surgery for you!!
Leave No Turn Unstoned!
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10-02-2010, 06:26 PM #71
Removable Non slip rubber Toe and heel soles are made to make Alpine Ski boots safer to walk in on slippery surfaces. Can someone design and make a removable slippery toe piece [ with a Teflon surface? ] that can be put on the toe and heel of AT boots to facilitate better / good frictionless release contact between the bindings and boot soles?
Cheers"People ask us to take them skiing, and I'm like, 'REALLY'? I mean if you want to get in an avalanche or just die somehow, then, YEAH, come with US!" - Nathan Wallace
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12-23-2010, 08:22 PM #72
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12-23-2010, 11:44 PM #73Jacket Cobbler
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starting 3rd season with Dynafit ZZeus using the AT soles in Alpine bindings (as well as dynafits )
Alpine Combos I have tried
ZZues +
Head / Tyrolia bindings Mojos, TD8
Marker Jesters
Rossi Axial 2 120
Marker Dukes
You cannot use a DIN chart to set. You literally have to tweak on the hill. Set low and slowly adjust up.
so you get an idea.....i had the Axials set on 6 for toe and heel. If I was in a pure alpine boot , I would have had this binding set between 10-12
So beware and start with very low setting firstwww.freeridesystems.com
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ok we'll come up with a solution by then makers....
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12-27-2010, 10:03 PM #74
that is some good empirical real world data. Would be interesting to get more experience from others.
Shop testing with a torque wrench has got to be different than real world with 200 + pounds of weight and force pressing the rubber sole down into a non-moving AFD.
I really think a moving AFD is key for AT boot release.
Are there any decent AT bindings without a moving AFD?
(other than dynafit)
Fritschi, Duke, Naxo, etc all have sliding AFD, right?. . .
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12-28-2010, 12:02 AM #75
I've been pleased so far with using the new Marker Squire binding with my Dynafit Zzeus boots. Squire has the moving AFD like Duke/Baron/Jester and has a ramped height adjustment like the Duke/Baron. It doesn't have as much adjustment as the Duke, but it seems to be sufficient to work. Would love to see some empirical tests.
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