the answer to: "what boots?"

[Stymie]

does anyone know where I can pick up those woll socks that marshalolson was talking about? I checked BC.com... no luck there.

[iscariot]

My advice is buy a high performance boot when you're young, like 11 years old. Get a boot that is 1.5 to 2 sizes smaller than your shoe size and use custom footbeds shaped by a bootfitter. I went with Lange XR race boots. As your foot grows, it will be naturally crushed and formed, growing into the precise shape of the shell. Then you will never have to wonder, "What kind of boot do I need?" You will just go in and buy the newer model of the same shell. Problem solved with just a little bit of foresight and planning


Note: this was a sarcastic post, but I do think that it is the basis for my foot fitting Lange boots so damn well straight out of the box.

[Liveezy]

bump for boot fitting question again

dave@fitcentre.ca is direct to me.

When i had my Speed machines fitted i was given a moulded foot bed. However after the liner packed out i got rid of it because the bridge of my foot was still pushing into the buckle fixing.

I now wonder if i should have kept it? I get cramps in the arch and think arch support would fix it.

What foot beds would you recommend?

[runethechamp]

I am wondering how the tecnica agent 120 fits compared to my old tecnica icon xts?

[mntlion]

get a foot bed that feels suportive, front to back and side to side (fills in the arch, and feels comfortable)
Then, after the foot is stable, get some more room on top of the foot.
I like sole footbeds, med to high arch, $40 retail, can be heated to make less support.

[Liveezy]

get a foot bed that feels suportive, front to back and side to side (fills in the arch, and feels comfortable)
Then, after the foot is stable, get some more room on top of the foot.
I like sole footbeds, med to high arch, $40 retail, can be heated to make less support.

Yea i think i will. The original pair pushed my foot up into the bolt that the buckle is held on with. I was told you couldnt really punch here?? Might be ok now the liner is fully packed.

[mntlion]

liner can be worked on. shell can be sometimes punched, always ground.
Also just lowering the whole foot (bootboard) can help too, and leave you room for footbeds

[XXX-er]

get a foot bed that feels suportive, front to back and side to side (fills in the arch, and feels comfortable)
Then, after the foot is stable, get some more room on top of the foot.
I like sole footbeds, med to high arch, $40 retail, can be heated to make less support.

I got some soles and I have 340$ custom made foot beds for my flat feet ,I put one of each in my ski boots and by the end of the day I couldnt remember which boot had which foot bed in it ... IMO a pretty good product for people who don't have extended health care

I also found with the soles I could grind all that grey foam off the bottom of the fore-foot for more toe room and the red neoprene is still holding out

[Liveezy]

liner can be worked on. shell can be sometimes punched, always ground.
Also just lowering the whole foot (bootboard) can help too, and leave you room for footbeds

Well ill try some of those that you recommend. I guess no ski boot will ever be 100%comfortable and im willing to live with a small hot spot if it stops my feet cramping. Honestly is soo annoying when your foot is trapped in there!!!

Yea, i have been into ultimate a few times, did a season in Banff 05/06! Keep up the good work! So much decent terrain at sunshine, we will have to hook up and ski the dive next time im there!

[liv2ski]

Mtnlion, I guess I am one of those lucky guys with a normal size foot. I have bought my last two pairs of Tecnica's and they felt great right out of the box, so no insoles or other adjustments. (Well once packed down after 5 days)
But here is the question. While the boots always feel good and snug around my foot, I think the bone immediately above my ankle is pretty damn skinny and it feels loose in that area. My heel doesn't move around, but I wonder if I should go into a boot fitter and have them build up the padding in the area that is about 6 inches above my ankle bone as the second buckle down from the top of the boot just doesn't get that area as snug feeling as I would like?
I often wonder if some looseness in that area can contribute to a feeling of sloppiness in my skis or more specifically a feeling of the ski tips moving/bouncing side to side a bit more than I want.
Maybe I just need to ski more.
What do you think?
Thanks

[DHogg]

I got boots fitted the other day and the bootfitter got me set up with some nordica supercharger enforcers. Got custom foot beds, the works. Felt amazing in the shop. Well it was pretty snug but felt good. My foot has a pretty wide forefoot/toe box and when im skiing hard i got super sore feet. Like it totally cramped up. He said he might have to make it wider in the forefoot, but thats better than getting a wider boot since it fit well everywhere else.

Whats the deal on punching/ making a boot wider?

[mntlion]

But here is the question. While the boots always feel good and snug around my foot, I think the bone immediately above my ankle is pretty damn skinny and it feels loose in that area. My heel doesn't move around, but I wonder if I should go into a boot fitter and have them build up the padding in the area that is about 6 inches above my ankle bone as the second buckle down from the top of the boot just doesn't get that area as snug feeling as I would like?
I often wonder if some looseness in that area can contribute to a feeling of sloppiness in my skis or more specifically a feeling of the ski tips moving/bouncing side to side a bit more than I want.
Maybe I just need to ski more.
What do you think?
Thanks

Do you have a different footbed in teh boot? that will help to stop the ankle from rolling a bit. Also you need some side to side roll, to help balance. You can have 100% cast on your foot. ALso something like the eliminator tongue might help too (drives the heel back in the boot)

what is the shell fit of the boot like? both in width and length?

[mntlion]

Whats the deal on punching/ making a boot wider?

you heat them up, stretch them (punch) , and they are ... wider....


not sure what you are asking, so hard to answer it.

[RootSkier]

I'm just here to spread my religious view that for most people, footbeds just fuck your feet up and you should figure out how to fix your feet instead of adding more shit underneath them.

/Rocking flat insole material for two of the happiest years of my skiing life.

[XXX-er]

I'm just here to spread my religious view that for most people, footbeds just fuck your feet up and you should figure out how to fix your feet instead of adding more shit underneath them.

/Rocking flat insole material for two of the happiest years of my skiing life.

so shouldnt we also go bare feet to strengthen our feet back to that point where they were before man started using foot wear ... which brings to mind the burning question why did man invent foot wear ?

OR does a flatter than piss on a plate foot bed just happen to work for you ?

[liv2ski]

Do you have a different footbed in teh boot? that will help to stop the ankle from rolling a bit. Also you need some side to side roll, to help balance. You can have 100% cast on your foot. ALso something like the eliminator tongue might help too (drives the heel back in the boot)

what is the shell fit of the boot like? both in width and length?

Stock footbeds. It is not that my ankle feels loose, rather the shin bone above the ankle is real skinny and feels like it needs more liner/padding around it for a snug fit in that area. The boot is plenty snug around the calf and my foot. I have high arches, so a foot bed may make the area over the top of my arch just to damn tight. Sorry, I didn't understand the 100% cast on your foot comment and I will try and look up the eliminator tongue to see what that is. I guess I will just stop by a boot fitter my first trip and see what they think.
Thanks

[XXX-er]

My advice is buy a high performance boot when you're young, like 11 years old. Get a boot that is 1.5 to 2 sizes smaller than your shoe size and use custom footbeds shaped by a bootfitter. I went with Lange XR race boots. As your foot grows, it will be naturally crushed and formed, growing into the precise shape of the shell. Then you will never have to wonder, "What kind of boot do I need?" You will just go in and buy the newer model of the same shell. Problem solved with just a little bit of foresight and planning


Note: this was a sarcastic post, but I do think that it is the basis for my foot fitting Lange boots so damn well straight out of the box.

the chinese are like centuries ahead of you

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/beekeeper/foot.html

[mntlion]

http://www.bootfitters.com/eliminator.htm

[Blurred]

2-3 pairs of socks, means your boots are too big. One pair of a quality ski sock is plenty. A proper fittiing boot will keep your feet warm.

I know Shral was joking, but I actually rock my boots that way. Two pairs of thick socks.

My feet are never cold and always comfy with zero pressure points.

I don't race slalom, so I don't need tight uncomfortable boots......especially jumping off shit all the time.

[Liveezy]

@mntlion
When i press into the front of my boot there is a pretty big gap(2-3cm) between the back of my calf and the boot liner. Even when i tighten the buckles to the point that the front of the liners meet. Is there a remedy to this or do i need to hit the gym?

[mntlion]

can you tighten the buckles more?

power strap around the liner, not the shell?

hit your shins with a hammer until they swell up more?

[Liveezy]

can you tighten the buckles more?

power strap around the liner, not the shell?

hit your shins with a hammer until they swell up more?

hmm this is all common sense, i should know better. JONG me now. Power strap inside cuff makes a huge difference! May need to move the buckles to the next notch now..

[DHogg]

Ok, so i recently bought some Nordica Supercharger Enforcers in a 17 shell. I also looked at speedmachines and head S11's but the guy recommended these as they had a more performance fit. I've skied about 3/4 days in them and they kill me. They feel fine when i put them on, nice and snug custom footbeds ect really happy when i walked around in the shop. However, when i ski something somewhat techincal and fast my feet cramp up, its like its not wide enough in the forefoot and what goes from a slight pressure is suddenly a sharp pain across my entire foot.

My foot has a narrow heel, high instep, and wide forefoot/toe box.


I've had one punch and it still does it, although not as bad. Did i get sold the wrong boot? The guy said he'd rather get a narrower boot and punch it rather than a wider throughout. I'm not sure if he has any idea what hes talking about or just trying to sell a boot.

[Jim J]

http://www.bootfitters.com/eliminator.htm

Do you think these would work well with a Krypton with a wrap around intuition liner?

[mntlion]

Ok, so i recently bought some Nordica Supercharger Enforcers in a 17 shell. I also looked at speedmachines and head S11's but the guy recommended these as they had a more performance fit. I've skied about 3/4 days in them and they kill me. They feel fine when i put them on, nice and snug custom footbeds ect really happy when i walked around in the shop. However, when i ski something somewhat techincal and fast my feet cramp up, its like its not wide enough in the forefoot and what goes from a slight pressure is suddenly a sharp pain across my entire foot.

My foot has a narrow heel, high instep, and wide forefoot/toe box.


I've had one punch and it still does it, although not as bad. Did i get sold the wrong boot? The guy said he'd rather get a narrower boot and punch it rather than a wider throughout. I'm not sure if he has any idea what hes talking about or just trying to sell a boot.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s....php?p=2056447

can you copy/paste the questions and answers to this?