A Clockwork Orange

**lemon boy** · 08-12-2005, 10:13 AM

Is it the greatest movie of all time?

Dang, that is tough. Certainly top five, hell top three. But Greatest? NUMERO UNO? Hmmmm. I say yes.

Director = The man
Realized World? Check
Charecters? Awesome
Movie that is nearly (as close as possible) as good as the book? Check
Titties? Check

Discuss.

**Camilo** · 08-12-2005, 10:22 AM

Damn good movie, but they didn't include the last chapter of the book. They didn't publish the last chapter in the U.S. because they thought it wouldn't sell. It totally changes the ending of the book/movie.

Can't beat the dialogue, and the soundtrack is perfect.

**tuffy109** · 08-12-2005, 11:14 AM

having never read the book, i think it's pretty hard to beat. unless you count Summer School.

**gincognito** · 08-12-2005, 11:17 AM

I don't know, it ranks pretty high on my list of over-rated films.

Sick and ashamed and happy (and not saying it's not good),
d.

**meatdrink9** · 08-12-2005, 11:26 AM

It's pretty good. I love the dialogue, but the random cruelty and violence always bothers me.

**Arty50** · 08-14-2005, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by tuffy109

having never read the book, i think it's pretty hard to beat. unless you count Summer School.

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Actually, I can't call ACO the best movie of all time. For me, that title probably goes to another Kubrick film: Full Metal Jacket.

**slim** · 08-14-2005, 12:42 AM

ACO is a better film without the final chapter.

Strangelove is Kubrick's best... every moment of that film is perfect.

**Arty50** · 08-14-2005, 10:09 AM

Originally Posted by slim

ACO is a better film without the final chapter.

Strangelove is Kubrick's best... every moment of that film is perfect.

I first became aware of it, Mandrake, during the physical act of love...Yes, a profound sense of fatigue, a feeling of emptiness followed. Luckily I-I was able to interpret these feelings correctly. Loss of essence. I can assure you it has not recurred, Mandrake. Women, er, women sense my power, and they seek the life essence. I do not avoid women, Mandrake...but I do deny them my essence.

**gincognito** · 08-14-2005, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by slim

Strangelove is Kubrick's best... every moment of that film is perfect.

Now we're talking. Picking up the DVD for 5.99 was the best move I ever made.

Sick and ashamed and happy (and speaking movie-wise),
d.

**YetiMan** · 08-14-2005, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by meatdrink9

It's pretty good. I love the dialogue, but the random cruelty and violence always bothers me.

ultraviolence at that...

**Jer** · 10-25-2008, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by meatdrink9

It's pretty good. I love the dialogue, but the random cruelty and violence always bothers me.

This is why A Clockwork Orange is so endearing. It makes you uncomfortable. Why am I laughing while a woman is being raped? Not all great art is supposed to make you feel warm and fuzzy.

Originally Posted by slim

ACO is a better film without the final chapter.

Strangelove is Kubrick's best... every moment of that film is perfect.

Agreed on both counts. IMO the book wasn't that great. Kubrick took a very mediocre novel and turned it into a masterpiece. Just like he did with most of his other films. McDowell was on fire in A Clockwork Orange, but in Strangelove the whole cast was on fire. Strangelove is the best film ever made and Kubrick was the greatest artistic genius of the 20th Century.

**dookey67** · 10-25-2008, 07:45 PM

ACO and The Wild Bunch straight blew my mind (and Taxi Driver, too, come to think of it) when I saw them in high school.

ACO and The Wild Bunch are tied in my book as insanely sick movies that I wouldn't hesitate to go see again (I've only actually seen ACO on the big screen, never on video, if you can believe that, and I ain't that old...give praise for the slowly dying arthouse cinemas).

I still remember the first time I went to the Milk Bar in NYC...that joint blew my mind as well. While not an exact replica of the infamouse Milk Bar in the film, it came pretty damn close. Plus after a half dozen magnetic blue martinis it really didn't matter much anyway.

And by god, some 12 years later it's still there!:

http://www.korovamilkbar.com/site/

**NorthernSpotted...** · 10-25-2008, 08:41 PM

Originally Posted by slim

Strangelove is Kubrick's best... every moment of that film is perfect.

Couldn't agree more. 100% pure genius. Tough to pick just one but here's my favorite scene:

Originally Posted by dookey67

(and Taxi Driver, too, come to think of it)

Edit to give Taxi Driver it's due. That's another one on my list of best movies ever.

Sucks that no one makes movies like this anymore.

dookey, does Joe Budden know what the fuck happened to cinema?

**BigDaddyLionfish** · 10-25-2008, 08:46 PM

The book is #1... Somehow I've never seen teh movie

**Jer** · 10-25-2008, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by BigDaddyLionfish

The book is #1... Somehow I've never seen teh movie

The book and the movie = completely different messages. Burgess was actually pretty pissed at Kubrick.

**nesta** · 10-25-2008, 10:22 PM

Kubrick is genius.
Starting with his 4th film of the 1950's, Paths of Glory (1957) I have seen every one of his films except his last, Eyes Wide Shut. And they are in between:
Spartacus (1960)
Lolita (1962)
Dr Strangelove (1964)
2001: A Space Odyssey (1968)
A Clockwork Orange (1971)
Barry Lyndon (1975)
The Shining (1980)
Full Metal Jacket (1987)
Of the ones I've seen, there's not a bad one in the bunch! Pretty well all classics. I've heard varying reviews of Eyes Wide Shut (1999)
Aside from Paths of Glory, every one of his films since was nominated for at least one or more Academy Award or Golden Globe except for one, The Shining. This is actually one of my favourite Kubrick films.

**Hugh Conway** · 10-25-2008, 11:29 PM

Heh. Jer and I have similar taste in movies.

Kubrick has a long list of great movies. But, ugh, Barry Lyndon? It was Tom Jones without the light, sprite and hotness.

**YetiMan** · 10-25-2008, 11:37 PM

if we're bumping this thread...might as well provide some goodness:

**f2f** · 10-25-2008, 11:39 PM

^ that scene was so much better in my head when reading the book because i hadn't seen the movie and knew Alex was only 15 yo, the girls were supposed to be 11 or 13... it freaked me out at the time. i was 16.

**nesta** · 10-26-2008, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Heh. Jer and I have similar taste in movies.

Kubrick has a long list of great movies. But, ugh, Barry Lyndon? It was Tom Jones without the light, sprite and hotness.

on second thought, I guess I'm going to have to agree with you on that one. Certainly not one of Stanley's best, but still good cinema compared to a lot of the crap out there.