Kingpin heel plus beast or vipec toe

[Chickenfish]

Just wondering if anyone has considered or tried this combo for the ultimate releasable pin binding?

[XavierD]

A vipec toe with a kingpin heel would defiantly be releasing; re: Line Reactor.

A beast toe should work. Theoretically it is the inverse of a p18.

I dunno how many folks are lining up to buy two of the more expensive bindings out there to get a single binding that may or may not work.

If someone can figure out how/where to just buy Beast 16 toe pieces -you might get some testers. Still spending a lot of money for some theoretical advantage in a rapidly evolving product range that more players are looking to get in on.

[Vt-Freeheel]

Frankentele? Are you back?

[galibier_numero_un]

Just wondering if anyone has considered or tried this combo for the ultimate releasable pin binding?

I really wanna like the Kingpin for a pair of skis that could see dual use (inbounds & touring). I might have to just fork over the $$$ this Fall to see how these thingys work.

... Thom

[rod9301]

Still think the weakness in a tech binding us in the toe piece. And the kingpin doesn't adress that.

I skied dynafits for years, on firm snow, and I never felt the heel to be anything but a bomber connection to the boot.
So I think the kingpin is perhaps a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

[galibier_numero_un]

Still think the weakness in a tech binding us in the toe piece. And the kingpin doesn't adress that.

I skied dynafits for years, on firm snow, and I never felt the heel to be anything but a bomber connection to the boot.
So I think the kingpin is perhaps a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

Agreed on the toe being the weak link. In the case of the G3 Ion (which I like), stiffer springs seem to be the answer. Perhaps the Ion/Kingpin approach is a bit more one of brute force when compared with the Vipec. I don't know.

The Vipec is another strong candidate for my love. None of this is to say that the Ion hasn't worked for me this year. I haven't skied it in wet snow conditions where some are reporting usability issues.

Cheers,
Thom

[adrenalated]

Still think the weakness in a tech binding us in the toe piece. And the kingpin doesn't adress that.

I skied dynafits for years, on firm snow, and I never felt the heel to be anything but a bomber connection to the boot.
So I think the kingpin is perhaps a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.

I disagree, I find the floating connection of the Dynafit heel to be vague and imprecise compared to an alpine heel with forward and downward pressure. I find this is most noticeable in choppy/uneven snow. On smooth and consistent snow (hard or soft) it's not that noticeable.

Agree however that the lack of elasticity in the toe is also an issue on traditional Dynafits, and that the Kingpin doesn't do much (if anything) to address that.

[galibier_numero_un]

I disagree, I find the floating connection of the Dynafit heel to be vague and imprecise compared to an alpine heel with forward and downward pressure. I find this is most noticeable in choppy/uneven snow. On smooth and consistent snow (hard or soft) it's not that noticeable.

Agree however that the lack of elasticity in the toe is also an issue on traditional Dynafits, and that the Kingpin doesn't do much (if anything) to address that.

I guess I can't effectively argue the point about heel stability as well as some folks, because with my skinny heels and bony ankles, I've always found this to be the week link in terms of connection with the ski - even with Intuitions and horsing around with "L" pads.

Cheers,
Thom

[Judo Chop!]

anyone know if you can buy dynafit components part by part anywhere? it might make it possible to do this.
K

[galibier_numero_un]

anyone know if you can buy dynafit components part by part anywhere? it might make it possible to do this.
K

You might try SkiMo: http://skimo.co/bindings

Cheers,
Thom

[SB]

Fkntoopid

[SKIP IN7RO]

Toes only $500
w/ heels $525

+ shipping

[neonorchid]

Fkntoopid

110% !!!!

Marker's engineers tried and couldn't get them to work with such a toe design.
I don't know why these guys would think they can succeed where Marker engineers with vastly greater resources all around, failed!
(X_X)

[XavierD]

110% !!!!

Marker's engineers tried and couldn't get them to work with such a toe design.
I don't know why these guys would think they can succeed where Marker engineers with vastly greater resources all around, failed!
(X_X)

to be fair, markers engineers have fucked up just about everything else for the last 20 years....

[neonorchid]

to be fair, markers engineers have fucked up just about everything else for the last 20 years....

I'm not a fan either. Still, they came up with this heel piece everyone seems to think are the bees knees.

[XavierD]

Really they were just the first ones to realize that you don't need the funky two pin heel retention tech to maximize the potential of the pin toe tech. Doesn't mean they went about it in the best way.