Review: 14-15 Whitedot Director Carbonlite 171 and 151cm

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2014-2015 Whitedot Director[/size] 171cm 151cm
133-107-123 r=20m @ 171cm
130-104-120 r=14m @ 151cm





Suggested Retail Price (MSRP):

976.00 euros
$1,041 usd at 3/18/2015 exchange rate

Rating (with comments):
(1="get me off these things"->10="I have to own a pair")

8+ for bumps
7+ for packed powder groomers for its size
9 for variable snow conditions below high-speeds...
8 for variable snow conditions in harder, crusty or cobbly material
5-6 for boilerplate hardpack
9 for powder (less than super-high speeds)

Summary:

The Director is unusual because it is available in sizes ranging from 151cm to 191cm, which is rare for a design like this. It means people of all sizes can get the right length in this mid-fat 104-107mm waisted model. Whitedot prides itself on satisfying their customers, and dedicating manufacturing resources to produce this model in a 151cm up to 191cm shows confidence in their design and dedication to getting customers just the right ski for their situation. We were lucky enough to try the 151 and 171cm sizes for smaller skiers in our tighter New England terrain.


The 2014-2015 Director is billed as having "the widest performance bands in our range", and they might be right. We reviewed the 2011-2012 preproduction candidate Director in 188cm back in 2011, and were frankly not that impressed with their new design. It was their first attempt at getting a ski design in the 107mm underfoot category, and it was not as impressive as we hoped. Whitedot has tweaked their geometry, rocker, flex pattern and materials over several seasons, and this latest generation Director hits the mark they set for themselves. We tested the Director 151cm and 171cm with kids, teenagers, intermediate and expert adults in a variety of terrain conditions and found it to be definitely oriented to best performance in 3-dimensional snow, although it had a respectable grip on hardpack when needed. The Director shines on days when there is fresh snow in the morning, turning to cut-up and skied-out material as the day goes on. It has a nicely balanced, easy-to-ski rocker design front and rear with enough floatation and turny behavior to take you pretty much anywhere with very little effort. It's one of those skis you forget about wearing as you hunt around for good little stashes and woodsy settings. It's super playful, very, very light feeling and very responsive with very little input from the pilot, thanks to the carbonlite C3 construction with carbon/carbon-aramid and flax sandwiching its poplar-ash core. The only real drawback to the Director Carbonlite is a somewhat lower speed limit than its standard-construction sibling due to its lower mass and softer flex pattern. What you trade off from big-mountain speed stability you get back in spades from the effortless handling and nimble responsiveness underfoot. The Director Carbonlite is best suited for lower speeds, tighter terrain or lighterweight skiers, or backcountry touring duty. This is a great design for Eastern U.S. tree skiing, or frontside resort skiing on light to moderate powder days. Super-easy, super-friendly handling, agility in tight situations and balanced flex with a respectable edgehold are good words to describe the Director Carbonlite. In the 151cm length, this could be one of the best kid's powder ski choices from small ski companies, along with the Praxis Le Petite. Kids and intermediates relatively new to powder skiing took to this ski in fresh snow without any learning curve effort, and that says a great deal about the design. Great choice for people looking for a lightweight ski with plenty of surface area and agility.


Hardpack and Boilerplate

The Director Carbonlites are flat (no camber), with moderately rockered tip and tail, so they don't grip hardpack with a vengence...more of a decent, respectable grip when you need it, but don't expect to dig GS-trenches on them. If you roll them up on edge, engage the effective edge with some deliberate intent and get the edge set and ride it, it can traverse the hardpack with quiet security. If you find some good old-fashioned Eastern boilerplate (can't get your pole to stand up in it), you might find the Director Carbonlites a little slippery unless you use a punchy, bite-down-underfoot change of direction to hold a line. The CarbonLite construction has a great characteristic of dampening vibrations and buzz underfoot on hard surfaces very, very well, without deading the ski or reducing its responsive feel. Overall, the hardpack performance feels "Pretty decent" (quote from several testers).

Mixed Conditions:

Mixed surface conditions were the bread-and-butter situation for the Director Carbonlites. They light, agile feel underfoot combined with a playful, responsive personality makes navigating cut up snow and mixed condtions really fun and pretty much zero-effort. If you get going at warp-9 speeds, you can feel a bit of tip flap and notice the lack of heavy mass underfoot, but control is always available. Get the Directors into the trees, and they are a blast. Super easy to ride and guide anywhere you want to go. Energetic pop is on hand when you need it to get up-and-over any bumps, logs and obstacles, although heavier skiers might overpower the Carbonlites if they are heavy-handed. Beefy skiers might like the standard construction Director geometry instread. Technical or finesse skiers will probably love the Director Carbonlites. The soft flex and light weight can get knocked around a little when traversing hardened crust or cobbly materials, but the agility and lightweight chassis makes corrections nearly instantaneous and effortless. "Playful" is a good word to describe the Directors in mixed conditions. Definitely a ski you can ride "Bell-To-Bell" on fresh-snow days. Several people remarked how they would love to mount the Director Carbonlites as a touring ski because it is so light and responsive.


Bumps:

The Director Carbonlites can mojo through the bumps really, really well with great ease. Their rocker ratios and flex pattern make it pretty effortless to zap your way through bumpy terrain without any harsh feedback or hangups in the troughs. The Carbonlite construction makes them very light, easy handling and energetic. Heavy skiers might overpower this model in the bumps if driven too hard, but most people will find they can bound through bumpy terrain with zero-effort and still get a fun ride.

Powder:.

Powder skiing with the Director Carbonlites is super easy and fun. While they lack the floaty experience of the 120mm waisted Redeemer, the Directors navigate through powder with an agile, fairly effortless ride. A little tip dive can be found if you ride them too hard, but then again, this ski is only 130-133mm wide in the front and 107 underfoot. The CarbonLite construction really works in powder, giving you a carbon-infused responsive, lightweight ride without the need to be hyper-vigilant as with some high-performance powder skis. Turn shapes are easily modified mid-arc, and you can throw the Directors sideways in the fluff, and then hook them up and turn on a dime when needed. The Directors are super-versatile in soft snow, and that will make many people very happy. Heavy-weight skiers might find they over-flex the CarbonLites in deep snow, but they can always opt for the standard construction if they choose.

Analogies: ("This ski is like...")

The first-on-your-list ski companion you always rely on to have a great time with on the mountain. They might not be the fastest, most intense skier, but definitely the one you can ski with all day, no matter what you find out there, and will always have a good time with.

Things I Would Change About This Ski:

In the longer lengths most likely to be purchased by heavier skiers, I would beef up the construction slightly to give more support and strength. The short sizes we tested were perfectly matched to lighter skiers.

Short Answer When Someone Asks "What Do You Think About This Ski?":

These are lightweight, responsive skis with a bias toward skiing "in" snow rather than ":n" snow, but they are a hoot in fresh or cut up conditions because they take zero effort, yet feel playful and fun. Cool dots.

Advice To People Considering This Ski:

If you are a heavier or stronger skier, you may want to upsize the CarbonLites to a slightly longer length, or choose the standard construction version if you tend to overpower a ski or want a model more suited to high-speed, big-mountain terrain.

See part 2 for more pics...

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Pics:






Director CarbonLite 151cm and 171cm



(From the top - Director 151cm, Director 171cm, Ranger 186cm, Redeeemer 180cm


















(Left-to-right Redeemer 180cm, Ranger 186cm, Director 171cm, Director 151cm

See the full review and others at:
http://exoticskis.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=362

[Horu]

Resurrecting an old thread here- I'm trying to decide between the regular and carbonlite versions of the 188 director.

I'm a heavy-ish skier (about 210 naked), fast, but not the fastest on the mountain. Prefer fast GS turns on fun terrain, small airs and playing in trees/glades, not so many big cliff drops.
current gear:
-Freedom SL boots (happy with those everyday)
-older Squad 7 (red/black, no honeycomb) for lift-served (w/ px15, very happy)
-have been using 10/11 189 Maestro's with Dukes for touring. I've enjoyed the Maestros maneuverability but am looking for something stiffer and narrower (albeit similar shape/camber) for a touring ski.
-will be mounting whatever I end up getting with g3 ions for touring.

The fundamental question I'm asking here is how noodly is the carbonlite version? I'm willing to lug around the couple extra lbs if I'm going to feel like I'm folding the ski (as I do occasionally with the Maestros), but if it's really only noticeable mashing chopped up laps at the ski area I'll go for the lighter version. Thanks!

[cat in january]

Probably could search comparisons of the DPS skis in the carbon and non carbon as a reference point. Here is the original author comparing the two versions of the Redeemer http://exoticskis.com/Forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=292

[Spyderjon]

I'm a Whitedot dealer in the UK. Their new CL3 CarbonLite construction allows the flexes of the CL & trad versions to be the same but the CL version has greater (better) pop/rebound. A mate of mine has skied the 188CL quite a bit & he's 6'2"/quite a bit over 210lbs & loves 'em. If budget allows go for the CL.

[Horu]

Thanks fellas- fwiw Spyderjon I think I'm looking at the 13-14 year model, found a smoking deal for the same price on either style from that year. Is the CL3 a newer addition?

[Spyderjon]

The 13/14 Director is the old model & is hugely different in many ways (when I say different read poorer) from the new 14/15 model reviewed above. Lighter weight skiers & those taking their first forays off piste loved the ski but advanced skiers found it limiting as it's scaled down dimensions from the superb Redeemer model for some reason just didn't work out. The 13/14 CL version also has the older CL2 construction which is actually very good (I've got the CL2 build on my Rangers) however both build types of that Director are not 'meaty' at all & 210lb'er will easily overpower even the 188cm length. So unless you're getting them so cheap that's it's worth a punt I'd save your pennies for the excellent new model which apart from the name is a totally different ski.

[miserywhip]

Spyderjon - any more info on the 13/14 CL Directors? I'm also interested.

Would be using them with dynafits, solely touring. I'm 6'/183cm, 165lb/75kilos. Would be looking at the 188. And yeah, it seems like the 14/15s are better, but can't be found for nearly the same price.

Thanks.

[Horu]

For reference, this is what we're both looking at STP Sale

[Spyderjon]

Spyderjon - any more info on the 13/14 CL Directors? I'm also interested.

Would be using them with dynafits, solely touring. I'm 6'/183cm, 165lb/75kilos. Would be looking at the 188. And yeah, it seems like the 14/15s are better, but can't be found for nearly the same price.

Thanks.

It's a good ski for a 165lb'er & at that a price it becomes a superb ski.

Still wouldn't recommend it for a 210lb'er though but at that price they're worth a try & if you're not happy you can flip 'em for no/little loss.