Touring boot with a true 22 shell size, does it exist?

[thd]

A friend of mine is having a hard time finding boots that fit well. It seems neither Dynafit nor Scarpa are making a smaller shell than 23, the 22/22.5s only using a thicker liner. She's currently in 22.5 TLT5s and its not really working for her. A decent bootfitter might be able to help, but getting to one is not a short term option.

Is anyone making a shell this small?

[auvgeek]

I have it on good authority that the Scarpa Freedom comes in a true 22. But AFAIK the heel pocket is so large, it might as well be a 23.

She's not the only one with this issue. Jesski has a terrible time with it, too. She's running a 23 Zzero w 24 HV Intuitions and a Full Tilt tongue. But she has a size 7 foot. If your friend is smaller, she's kinda out of luck, unless a fitter on here knows something I don't. Best advice I have is to put a HV intuition in the TLT5 (unless that's what she's already done...)

[LeeLau]

Freedom is the only true size 22 per what auvgeek said

[shirk]

Chocise goes down to a 22.

98mm last.

105 flex in the women's Pro version

http://www.tecnicausa.com/product-de...lor_number=BLU

[auvgeek]

^^Really? I'm interested in hearing your first/second hand opinion of how the size 22 fits! Can you compare to the OG "22" Cochise or other boots? I know jesski is interested in trying them on if they have better heel hold than the 23 Dynafit models.

PS. What's the bsl on the 22? Last I checked it was the same as the 23...and a size 23 with a toe dam is just not the same as a true 22. The volume should get smaller, not just the length.

[skimaxpower]

Dalbello says Krya (ladies Lupo) comes in 22.0. I'm pretty sure it's a true 22.
http://www.dalbello.it/en/boots/all-...ure/kyra-95-id

This chart should be handy for you:
http://www.evo.com/ski-boot-sole-len...ize-chart.aspx

[shirk]

^^Really? I'm interested in hearing your first/second hand opinion

I just recalled that it was a 22 from looking at the internet spec, don't know what the actual shell is or how it fits.

[mntlion]

sorry, cochise 22 is a 23 shell, with a overstuffed 22 liner. the 22.0, 22.5, 23.0 and 23.5 are all 280 BSL.

The TLT5, in 22 is 257BSL, but a smaller inside shell fit then the 23 (also a 257BSL)

some scarpas are avail in true 22.

not much really. Its a VERY small part of the skiing market share, and not worth companies to make that size

[LeeLau]

shirk - what mntlion said. Wasatchback the Tecnica rep answered that very question in my Cochise review on the TGR front page. Not a true size 22

[auvgeek]

Its a VERY small part of the skiing market share, and not worth companies to make that size

To what women's shoe size do you think a 22 mondo corresponds? Just curious.

[gregL]

I think some older designs came in true 22/22.5 lengths (BSL under 270) - try Dynafit Gaia, Garmont Megaride W, Scarpa Blink. Not much in current designs, unfortunately.

[mntlion]

To what women's shoe size do you think a 22 mondo corresponds? Just curious.

depends on how the lady wants/needs/expects her boots to fit and perform

My wife is usually a 8ish shoe, and skis a 22 boot in just about everything (but demands a lot from boots)

if someone is a green skier, on weekends, between wine and coffee breaks, a 22 would "fit" a person with a 6 shoe...

and just like you dont always use the exact same size shoe (I'm 7.5 to 8.5 mens and a 25 boot) ski boots are not all fitting the same

[auvgeek]

^^Thanks! I typed that question too quickly; obviously it's going to vary person to person, shoe to shoe (and boot to boot). I was just looking for a general ballpark answer. But you're confirming what I thought: plenty of ladies might wear a size 22 (or even a 21). The problem isn't that it's an absurdly small foot size—the problem is too few women tour!

[thd]

Thanks for all the replies so far!

I think some older designs came in true 22/22.5 lengths (BSL under 270) - try Dynafit Gaia, Garmont Megaride W, Scarpa Blink. Not much in current designs, unfortunately.

Yea, the BSL comparison list linked earlier led me to the Gaia, and I actually found a pair of 22.5s at a pretty good price. Trying to convince my friend that it's a decent choice proved harder....weight and (too much) stiffness is the concern. I'm thinking a slight weight penalty is a small tradeoff if you can get a boot that is actually the right size. Anyone got first or second hand experience with the Gaia?

[timmaio]

I can't believe it, but the F1 Evo seems to come as small as 21.5

http://www.scarpa.com/f1-evo-womens

I don't know of any BSL charts yet available that include this boot so can't comment on whether it is a 'true' 22. If anyone knows of BSL charts for these boots I would love to know.

[gregL]

If anyone knows of BSL charts for these boots I would love to know.

Me too. If anyone works for a shop that has a size run of the F1 evo and can write down some BSL numbers, please PM me.

[Jonathan S.]

Skimo Co doesn't have the 21.5/22.0 in stock, but does list a shorter bsl for that size:
http://skimo.co/scarpa-womens-f1-evo

[...]The TLT5, in 22 is 257BSL, but a smaller inside shell fit then the 23 (also a 257BSL)[...]

Did you swap liners between the 22.0/22.5 vs the 23.0/23.5 to verify that the fit difference really is in the shell?

Even Dynafit's own sizing chart doesn't inspire confidence in any difference between the 22.0/22.5 vs the 23.0/23.5:

[mntlion]

Did you swap liners between the 22.0/22.5 vs the 23.0/23.5 to verify that the fit difference really is in the shell?

did a shell fit with the wifes foot. the 22 was 10mm smaller inside, but 22-23.5 all had the same 257 BSL.

[Jonathan S.]

did a shell fit with the wifes foot. the 22 was 10mm smaller inside, but 22-23.5 all had the same 257 BSL.

So they just stuck a toe jam up front in the same shell to make the length feel shorter? Or (highly doubtful...) is the shell lower in volume throughout?

[timmaio]

I just found this: http://skimo.co/boot-sole-lengths

Has the F1 Evo BSL chart.

BTW, does anyone know if the F1 Evo 289 BSL mold is different in the mens/womens version? Or just different colored plastic?