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11-10-2014, 05:01 PM #51
anybody have experience using the dunlop graspic ds-3? they are relatively cheap ($71/each) on tire rack. i was planning for the general's ($89/each) on my van until i just looked online. i have general's for a subi and was happy last season. previously, used blizzak ws70's ($90/ea) on the van and was happy with those, too. tia.
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11-10-2014, 06:49 PM #52Registered User
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Actualy up north where it gets really fucking cold go to any mall where you can see even the stupidest stupid person whom you can look at and decide you do not want to hangout with driving a sunfire with studded snows, cuz everybody up here knows they need real snow tires so they buy them usually with studs BUT snow at -40C is actualy so fucking abrasive that the traction is pretty good so everybody gets to work everyday IF they can get the car started
OTOH the snow close to zero is the most slippery snow so that is where you need real snow tires, that stuff often falls in some big citys down at low elevation or close to the water like Vancover or Seattle where it doesn't snow much so people try to slide by(intentional pun) on all season or summer tires so it doesn't matter if you got studded Haks you are stuck behind dum cool people with summer tires which will be the lowest common denominator in that once or twice a winter snow storm ... call work and tell them you will be tele computing from homeLast edited by XXX-er; 11-10-2014 at 07:29 PM.
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11-11-2014, 10:21 AM #53Registered User
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11-11-2014, 07:23 PM #54
Blizzak's are really soft, in my experience. Trying the General Altimax's this year. Michelins are great, but like all Michelins are spendy. Dunlops do well all around. Nokians are the shit. Don't buy pirelli's, they suck.
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11-12-2014, 10:31 PM #55
Well got the blizzaks installed today on the f150. Pretty nuts how much more grip they have than the old wranglers I had on there. Put it in 2wd and it greatly outperformed the old ones even in 4wd-
There isn't even a comparison, in 2wd I'd say these still beat the wranglers even when they were new and I had 300 lbs in the bed. Now I guess we'll just see how long they last. With the weight in the bed and 4wd I think blizzaks must be hard to beat, though I've never run studs.
That's all not to say that the truck wasnt fine with the wranglers, just not confidence inspiring per say, and not grippy by any means.
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11-12-2014, 11:21 PM #56Registered User
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=QsxV49pmnL8
you don't want to end up in this^^ situationLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-13-2014, 10:08 AM #57Registered User
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In warm weather, snow tires borders on being dangerous. They will lose directional stability, have poor handling and increased stopping distance. If they don't have these traits, they are likely to have bad performance in freezing conditions. If they had good warm weather performance, they would have been labeled all season tires.
But the driver is pretty much always the week link.
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11-13-2014, 12:09 PM #58
I got 6.5 seasons with my Dodge Caravan and Michelin X-Ice going back and forth to Whistler. I have the snow tires on from November to April and probably drive 10,000km a season. At that point they started spinning up Glacier Drive even through there was lots of tread left. Now I'm on my second set of X-Ice2. The Winter tires are vastly better in wet cold Vancouver weather too. They're not just for snow.
If you have a problem & think that someone else is going to solve it for you then you have two problems.
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11-13-2014, 01:08 PM #59Registered User
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11-13-2014, 05:05 PM #60Registered User
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11-14-2014, 12:32 AM #61Registered User
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11-14-2014, 09:32 AM #62Registered User
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if you wana be that anal you could write a data base to calculate the time you would save/waste/savings in rubber by slowing down a little vs changing tires (and back) everytime it snows ?
you sound like my last lawyer he was always getting himself in shitLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-14-2014, 03:10 PM #63Registered User
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The savings are not the motivating factor for me. I go to work every day. I can afford tires. I run ultra high performance tires in the summer. The grip and improved handling is astonishing! I can recommend Michelin Pilot SuperSport if you have a car with enjoyable characteristics.
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11-20-2014, 05:29 PM #64Registered User
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Here's an INDEPENDENT test from University of Fairbanks, Alaska. I found it while researching studs. They were using blizzaks for winter wires. The results are almost sad. I realize the tests are from 1994 and winter tires improved since then, but it's fair to assume the all seasons improved too.
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11-20-2014, 06:22 PM #65Registered User
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those are 10yr old results also that study doesn't say which studded snow tire, can't you google something more scandahovian ?
My lawyer was cheap and/or there was probably a little swapping the snow tires for the astonishing high performance summer tires on his car with enjoyable characteristics but when he got caught in a snow storm with the studded winter tires at the top of the hill in his garage instead of on his car ... same end resultLee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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11-20-2014, 06:29 PM #66
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11-20-2014, 06:44 PM #67Registered User
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11-20-2014, 06:48 PM #68Registered User
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All companies worldwide were so ready so hyper vigelant that there was no millenium bug per se
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11-20-2014, 06:54 PM #69
10 years old hard to say... nor do they qualify what all seasons? But people would not continue buying winter tires if they didn't offer a performance advantage in the winter, myself included. No comparison IMO between blizzaks and wrangler A/T on my truck.
Of course I also had Michelin all seasons I bought last black Friday (latitude comfort something or another - premium tire) on our midsize suv and I was very suprised by how those handled ice, fantastic and much better than the last set of all seasons on that.
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11-20-2014, 07:03 PM #70Registered User
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Here's the whole document https://dec.alaska.gov/eh/docs/lab/d...nics/551.1.pdf
M+S all seasons. Wranglers are a terrible choice for snow. Like I said, I believe some all seasons are a lot closer to winter tires than others. My goodyear assurance tripletred for example were awesome.
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11-20-2014, 07:05 PM #71
The follow up study from 1995 shows studless Blizzak's beating studs and studs or studless being better than all seasons.
WASHHDOT in 2002 concluded (after looking at multiple studies, including the Lu study from 1995 and 1994):
Studded tires produce their best traction on snow or ice near the freezing mark
and lose proportionately more of their tractive ability at lower temperatures
than do studless or all-season tires.The traction of studded tires is slightly superior to studless tires only under an
ever-narrowing set of circumstances. With less aggressive (lightweight) studs
being mandated, and with the advent of the new “studless” tire, such as the
Blizzak, since the early 1990s, the traction benefit for studded tires is
primarily evident on clear ice near the freezing mark, a condition whose
occurrence is limited. For the majority of test results reviewed for snow, and
for ice at lower temperatures, studded tires performed as well as or worse than
the Blizzak tire. For those conditions in which studded tires provided better
traction than studless tires, the increment usually was small.
I've also yet to find a warmish temp scenario where the snows were not competent. Considering running them through the summer this year, but we will see."These are crazy times Mr Hatter, crazy times. Crazy like Buddha! Muwahaha!"
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11-20-2014, 07:07 PM #72Registered User
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Oh out of curiosity I looked at utah rules for some roads
Motorists traveling on the highways listed below between October 1 and April 30 are required to have:
Steel link chains, or
Mounted snow tires (tires with a M/S rating, with or without studs,), or
Elastomeric tire chains designed for use with radial tires.
Four-wheel drive vehicles are required to have a minimum of two mounted snow tires.
Also, do they understand quattrto = four wheel drive?
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11-20-2014, 07:38 PM #73Registered User
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I wouldn't put 100% faith on a dot study aboit stud vs studless. In 30 years of driving on snow/slush/ice nothing beats awd with studs. There might be isolated cases where the studless performs better but on winter roads with snow hands down studs. I have run studless exclusively for 10 plus years because the majority of my winter miles at this point in my life is bare pavement. However if my life changed and I found myself skiing 40 plus days a season like the old days studs only. Keep I'm mind most traction tests are done on flat dry ice conditions. The biggest problem for most people is when you have to start from a stop on a incline or stopping on roads between 34-25 degrees with ice/slush/snow. If the temp gets much lower than 20 roads are much more predictable. Just remember most dot's hate studs for the amount of road damage it causes. Studs suck for highway driving but kills it o smowy and icy roads.
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11-20-2014, 07:44 PM #74
Make that 20 year old results. While we're at it, let's look at ski comparisons from 1994. I'm sure tire technology has come a LONG way in 2 full decades.
I have all-seasons on my ride right now and let me tell you, there is absolutely no comparison. They are "M+S" rated. HA! What a joke. Getting the snows installed first thing tomorrow morning. Yes, they stop far shorter, and turning inspires confidence. Been getting tired of sliding around these past couple of weeks, so can't wait to have winter rubber again.
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11-20-2014, 07:46 PM #75Registered User
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So were stuck between tests run by manufacturers, sellers and DOT. The link I posted is from a university, not that they are impartial.
I don't loose anything running two sets. I get to run summer tires that would perform horribly in the winter and I get the best in the winter. I just hate winter tire zealots that want mandatory winter tires.
And again AustinFromSA, it not like all seasons stagnated for the past 20 years.
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