Best Liner for touring?

[LongArm]

Looking to get myself a new liner to replace the horrific BD stock liner in my Quadrants.
some make more sense then others - I need a high volume liner for my scrawny foot.
Of course the Pro Tour seems like the obvious choice, but curious. Any other brands you recommend?

Classic Alpine, Dreamliner, Universal, Power Wrap, Power Wrap Plus, Luxury or Pro Tour. Easy enough to say Pro Tour.

I've had some buddies say the laces suck and to stick with the wrap.

[yellofin]

Luxury HV tours well good heal hold and stiffer than pro tour

[XXX-er]

The power wrap is the only thing that works for my low vol/high instep foot BUT it sounds like you bought the rong shell for your foot?

[gregL]

What XXX-er says. If you've got a scrawny foot the BD Quadrant and pre-2013/14 Factors were pretty much the exact opposite. Start with a more appropriate shell before you spend $$$ on a better liner. FWIW, the Pro-Tour only comes in medium volume, to get a high volume you'd have to go with a Luxury or Dream.

[XXX-er]

If you bought the rong boot an intuition liner will not fix it, you must start with the right shell for your foot otherwise you are just trying to put lipstick on a pig, IMO look at the maestrale RS cuz it comes WITH intuition liner and real dynafit fittings

[LC]

Well-timed thread. I need new liners for my Vulcans this winter and can get Palau cheap directly from the brand (about half the price of Intuition). So wrap or tongue style liner?

I used the Vulcans last year with some tongue-style Dalbello Intuitions (essentially Pro Tours) that already had 150-200 days on them, so they're totally done now. Compared to the Vulcan's stock liner they improved the fit a lot on my skinny foot, very skinny heel and ridiculously skinny lower leg but I'd still like it a little tighter instead of relying on the buckles. So should I just get the thickest version I can? Wrap style should improve the fit on my leg I guess, but would I notice a restriction of movement in my stride?

[XXX-er]

Well-timed thread. I need new liners for my Vulcans this winter and can get Palau cheap directly from the brand (about half the price of Intuition). So wrap or tongue style liner?

I used the Vulcans last year with some tongue-style Dalbello Intuitions (essentially Pro Tours) that already had 150-200 days on them, so they're totally done now. Compared to the Vulcan's stock liner they improved the fit a lot on my skinny foot, very skinny heel and ridiculously skinny lower leg but I'd still like it a little tighter instead of relying on the buckles. So should I just get the thickest version I can? Wrap style should improve the fit on my leg I guess, but would I notice a restriction of movement in my stride?

yeah the Pw's restrict a bit of movement but you do have a lot of ROM in the vulcan, for me I'm a pw kind of guy, its the only liner i can use

[Lindahl]

For me, its either the Pro Tour or the Scarpa liner from the Freedom boot (order separately). The Pro Tour is lighter, but the Freedom liner is stiffer, having a plastic plate on the tongue. I'd never want to tour very far without the rearward flex zone of those two liners. It makes a pretty noticable difference.

[dark_star]

I had fit issues with the Scarpa TX Pro for my tele setup. It was one of the few NTN shells available and I wanted the tech inserts, so it was my only option. The shell was way too wide, but I got a HV Luxury Liner (= Intuition's highest volume liner) and it solved the problem, along with my footbeds.

What everyone says here is true- shell fit is most important. But it's also true that you can use a liner to take up some extra space (although it will eventually pack out). I agree though that the quadrant does not sound like the boot for you.

[WaistDeepGroomers]

For me, its either the Pro Tour or the Scarpa liner from the Freedom boot (order separately). The Pro Tour is lighter, but the Freedom liner is stiffer, having a plastic plate on the tongue. I'd never want to tour very far without the rearward flex zone of those two liners. It makes a pretty noticable difference.

+1. Rode the scarpa liner in the Freedom boot and it felt as good as my powerwraps in my langes. lack of laces never affected me.

[NoPostholio]

yeah the Pw's restrict a bit of movement but you do have a lot of ROM in the vulcan, for me I'm a pw kind of guy, its the only liner i can use

Seconded - I used pw and pw plus in both Quadrants and vulcans... Some folks think that is dum in vulcans, but the ROM is still there (though def more limited) rearward

[saxon]

I used the Luxury mid-vol liner and now use the Power Tongue liner in my Dynafit Mercuries. I notice the difference between that combo and my TLT5's with stock liners (which is my idea of the perfect touring setup) but the difference isn't huge on day tours. My point being, I think you'd be happy enough with the tourability of any of Intuition's tongue-based liners, even the non-touring models. Likewise I believe the folks who say the PowerWraps tour well enough, but I've not tried them myself.

[westoxified]

i prefer the cruise liner from Carnival. best tours in the business.

[XXX-er]

I wouldn't assume anything, I drove 13 hrs to the intuition outlet in Vancover (they are great!) where I tried 2 tongued liners & bought the one that seemed to suck the least, after more carpet testing I realized it truly sucked as well so I exchanged it for the PW which was the right thing to do, IME a PW will always work but the tongued liners ... not necessarily

[neck beard]

Can't believe I am going to say this, but the best touring liner I have used has been the stock Mercury liner. Cold, but better fit and dramatically longer performance life than any intuition I have used. For the price, I don't get enough days of use from intuition.

[neck beard]

my skinny foot, very skinny heel and ridiculously skinny lower leg but I'd still like it a little tighter instead of relying on the buckles. So should I just get the thickest version I can? Wrap style should improve the fit on my leg I guess, but would I notice a restriction of movement in my stride?

Be careful, there is a limit to how much wrap can do for a skinny shank. You can only close the interior diameter of a stiff wrap liner so much. If that is not enough, then you are left with a pencil in a tube. No amount of foam wrap volume will fix that.

And yes, they suck for tour mode.

[Dromond]

Can't believe I am going to say this, but the best touring liner I have used has been the stock Mercury liner. Cold, but better fit and dramatically longer performance life than any intuition I have used. For the price, I don't get enough days of use from intuition.

While I don't find my stock Mercury liners fit very tightly/well, I actually like that they are cold. Less sweating = few blisters for me. I find the warmth of Intuition liners great for resort skiing but a little too hot for touring. (I'm in the PNW where it is often mild and sort of...humid.)

[PNWbrit]

Can't believe I am going to say this, but the best touring liner I have used has been the stock Mercury liner. Cold, but better fit and dramatically longer performance life than any intuition I have used.

I can believe it. Two hard winters in mine now and they are only just starting to show wear.

They are cold though.

[GeezerSteve]

Didn't read past the OP and maybe somebody already covered this: If you have scrawny feet in Quadrants, the answer is different boots.

[NoPostholio]

Can't believe I am going to say this, but the best touring liner I have used has been the stock Mercury liner. Cold, but better fit and dramatically longer performance life than any intuition I have used. For the price, I don't get enough days of use from intuition.

I can believe it. Two hard winters in mine now and they are only just starting to show wear.

They are cold though.

If either of you are 27.5, PM me some 50$ trade items. Rather trade them to mag then sell to some schlub on eBay.
I am already stocked up on frogskins and croakies so other gear works.

[GeezerSteve]

Yup, my Dynafit liners last longer than Intuitions

[hutash]

I suppose it depends on what you are trying to accomplish. In my Mastreale's the original Intuition tour liner, toured better, but skied worse then a power wrap, which skied better but toured worse. Since it is a touring boot I stuck with the original liner.

[XXX-er]

I had a conform'ables liner in my mercury season before last and it sure had ROM but after a very long tour I ended up with a bruise on the methead which fortunatley went away and that liner didn't go downhill very well

you know that the liner scarpa specs from intuition is a pretty good liner by all acounts but it is NOT exactly what intuition sells apres market ?

what this thread has told us is that every body has a different opinion on whats the best liner for touring ... so
whats that joke about assholes and opinions?

[neck beard]

They have a great heel hold, and don't pack out much at all. Tying the laces enhances their performance further. It is a pity my lace loops have mostly torn off now.

Cold: Besides being thin, and having stitching where there should be foam, I think the 5 metal rivets strategically placed around the toes doesn't help with the boot's thermal properties either.

If either of you are 27.5, PM me some 50$ trade items. Rather trade them to mag then sell to some schlub on eBay.
I am already stocked up on frogskins and croakies so other gear works.

Too big, and wrong country, but thanks anyway dood. I'd buy new backup liners if I could get them.

whats that joke about assholes and opinions?

You are right. BTW, I first read "assholes and onions". And that ain't no joke. But it would be nice if Intuitions didn't pack out so much and so fast.

[Lindahl]

I'd agree that Intuitions pack out pretty quick, but the warmth, comfort and skiability trump price/longevity to me.