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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    I don't know, what is the point of this binding? To pass some engineering bench test to achieve marketing and legal gold status?
    (Six springs! A Six Pack! Hoo-Rah!)

    I'm always skeptical of claims that a pintech binding will be just as good inbounds (or better!) than a standard alpine clamp.

    Do you believe it? Wanna buy my v1 Radical FT 12's?
    ...progress in the right direction.

    As far as good in-bounds claims go, it's flawed, read Rick Howell's comments on Wildsnow -
    https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marke...view/#comments

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leavenworth Skier View Post
    I'm assuming it'll be like a Beast - perfect for hard core gear whores to limp back to the lift from the sidecountry and feel like they're getting 80% of alpine performance. And I think that for most people I see skiing in the resort with tech bindings it will offer safer release and most likely less vibration/vague feelings in the heels on hardpack. It think it'll also offer safer release for lighterweight or slower backcountry skiers who could care less about the grams. Basically fill the role that the fritschi diamir or marker tour fills now. My wife got a tib-fib from a Dynafit binding not releasing in a way that an alpine binding would have and I get the impression that this binding is probably closer to having consistant release properties.

    I think an alpine toe with the kingpin heel would probably be ill-advisable and potentially dangerous. (EPIC PRE-RELEASE BRO!) Skis and bindings are cheap on Gearswap, just have an alpine set-up and touring set-up. I've tried many permutations of alpine/tech/touring bindings/boots/skis, and it just doesn't pan out to try and do multiple things with the same rig.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    Any idea about the specific mount patterns?

    I'm thinking a Kingpin heel + a CAST / insert system swapping with the Lord S.P. toe?
    Just curious why? Why not just use an alpine binding? Sounds expensive.

    IMO, this binding helps fill an ever growing niche in skiing and for that growing segment of "slack country" and/or "free ride touring" (less concerned about counting ounces and more focused on performance) this binding may prove to be the next step in the evolution.

    Time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchdogger View Post
    Just curious why? Why not just use an alpine binding? Sounds expensive.
    My thoughts exactly. Only upside I can see is if it offers more consistent release.

    But I must say, Marker has done a damn good job making this new binding feel like the second coming of Christ or something. Well played Marker, well played.

    Another advantage is if you frequently fall backwards or backslap you can now enjoy the dildo heel aggressing your backside MILES from the car.

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    Marker King Tech Binding thread

    Quote Originally Posted by neonorchid View Post
    ...progress in the right direction.

    As far as good in-bounds claims go, it's flawed, read Rick Howell's comments on Wildsnow -
    https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marke...view/#comments
    Just going to say it. He sounds like a tool with a binding company. Take it all with a grain of salt. Sounding good as a tech option right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CaliBrit View Post
    Just going to say it. He sounds like a tool with a binding company. Take it all with a grain of salt. Sounding good as a tech option right now.
    He's the inventor/co-creator etc of the KneeBinding and has gotten in legal trouble for bashing KneeBinding products online after being ejected from the company.

    Don't know if he's got a dog in this fight, maybe works for some other competitor now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lynchdogger View Post
    Just curious why? Why not just use an alpine binding? Sounds expensive.

    IMO, this binding helps fill an ever growing niche in skiing and for that growing segment of "slack country" and/or "free ride touring" (less concerned about counting ounces and more focused on performance) this binding may prove to be the next step in the evolution.

    Time will tell.
    There is a niche for those who aren't happy with the tech/alpine compromises so far and are willing to pay the price to have the best of both worlds.
    Way far out on the fringes are those willing to experiment and pay to get it all in the same run. (CAST etc...)

    I'm happy to see the compromises get better with innovations like this, time and independent testing will tell if they made good design and material decisions. (Is the toe wing carrier plastic?)

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    ^^^ Fair enough!
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    mod edit/question-----


    was looking at two threads here on the exact same topic, figured they'd be good for my first attempt at a merge....

    good/bad idea?
    Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
    And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
    It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
    and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.

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    and, interesting earlyups summary of it here
    Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
    And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
    It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
    and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.

    Patterson Hood of the DBT's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    Any idea about the specific mount patterns?

    I'm thinking a Kingpin heel + a CAST / insert system swapping with the Lord S.P. toe?
    I have a CAST + Lord SP setup I would sell if you're keen to give it a shot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tye 1on View Post
    mod edit/question-----


    was looking at two threads here on the exact same topic, figured they'd be good for my first attempt at a merge....

    good/bad idea?
    Instead of a merge, that first thread should have just been deleted...it was a train wreck of summer off-topic drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Instead of a merge, that first thread should have just been deleted...it was a train wreck of summer off-topic drama.
    gotcha, thanks.
    Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
    And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
    It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
    and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.

    Patterson Hood of the DBT's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Judo Chop! View Post
    I have a CAST + Lord SP setup I would sell if you're keen to give it a shot.
    Thanks for the offer but I've already got what I want for this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tye 1on View Post
    and, interesting earlyups summary of it here
    From that article:

    "(word is Jackson Hole Mountain Resort is banning them entirely, because everyone rips so damn hard there)."

    Wait. What?

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    New tech binding Marker "King"

    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I don't want one binding to do it all, just like I don't want one boot to do it all.

    No AT boot on the market skis even close to as well as the best alpine boots out there, so when I'm riding lifts I want a DIN certified, single purpose ALPINE binding to work with my single purpose, walk mode, tech fitting and gimmick free ALPINE boot.

    Then I'll take my separate, lugged, rockered sole AT boots and run them in a dedicated AT binding. Yes, I like the idea of a 12+ DIN pintech binding, but I'm not going to ever ski one in bounds unless I am on my way out the gate, and this has as much to do with AT boot performance in bounds as it does AT binding performance. Top end alpine boots are pretty incredible these days, and nobody is going to convince me you aren't losing out by skiing even the burliest of AT boots in bounds.

    Instead of frankensteining one setup to muddle through it all, I would much rather own two or three specialized tools that will excel where they were designed to be used. I genuinely don't understand the push to have one boot and one binding to do it all well.
    But there's certainly room for a binding that releases better than current tech offerings, while offering better touring capabilities than frame bindings.

    There's plenty of us that want the tech binding touring, but are having problems with the release characteristics which require us to change how we ski (or change to a frame binding) - especially in nearcountry scenarios.

    There's also something to be said for a setup that allows you to rip the resort in the AM and then head out back in the PM.

    After being on CAST last year, it comes pretty close, but I'd like to try something with less pieces this year - the Beast 16, and gonna try to get my hands on an ATK Raider 14 (I really just need better vertical retention). The Kingpin looks great, but I'm thoroughly annoyed it tops out at 13, as I have to run my Dukes at 13 right now.
    Last edited by Lindahl; 09-03-2014 at 05:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    I'm thoroughly annoyed it tops out at 13, as I have to run my Dukes at 13 right now.
    Thanks for reminding us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    From that article:

    "(word is Jackson Hole Mountain Resort is banning them entirely, because everyone rips so damn hard there)."

    Wait. What?
    I'm guessing that was humor. Dunfee-esque at that...
    Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
    And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
    It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
    and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.

    Patterson Hood of the DBT's

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    Instead of a merge, that first thread should have just been deleted...it was a train wreck of summer off-topic drama.
    Agreed! 12345
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    I see four common complaints with the downhill ski performance of "traditional" tech bindings. And by that I mean Dynafit Vertical, Radical, etc. since they were really the only game in town until recently.

    1) prerelease, generally caused by the ski overflexing and thus shortening the distance between binding toe and heel. Boot heel hits binding heel and the boot is shoved forward out of the toe. A few people also complain that the max release value is too low but this is a little less common.
    2) lack of elasticity/energy absorption in the toe, translating to a harsh ride on hard snow with lots of vibration transmitted directly to the boot.
    3) lack of downward and forward pressure in the heel, leading to a vagueness in control of the rear half of the ski, especially in pivoting movements.
    4) too much ramp angle

    To me, this binding looks like it will do a better job of addressing 3) than any other offering, offering the most secure and positive heel connection. This is really my biggest complaint about my Radicals so I'm interested to ski them. My main concern is that it won't do enough (if anything) to address 2), which is my second largest complaint about my Radicals. We'll see. If nothing else, it's good to see more companies trying new designs in tech bindings and I do think that once the initial flurry of development settles we'll be left with a selection of bindings that are significantly improved over the old tech bindings.
    Last edited by adrenalated; 09-03-2014 at 09:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LC View Post
    Thanks for reminding us.
    A better tech binding is just going to make him shred more gnarier..... self defeating really.
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    And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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    Responding to Lindahl's comments: My only complaint re Dynafit release is the rare vertical release when I get in a hole and bounce out. That happens, maybe, once per season, i.e., my tech bindings result in unwanted releases no more often than my DH bindings do. IME, the lateral release of all my Dynafits (Speed Classic, Comfort, Vert FT) has been very reliable.

    Ah, but keep the Dyna bellyaching comin' and when y'all switch to the latest non-Dynafit tech bindings please offer to sell me your Speed Classic heels, which I'll buy at the right price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iscariot View Post
    I heard the new Marker King is 650b.
    Well I was close..the Kingpin is 650g...that's at least 5 letters better than 650b.


    Ramp angle #'s?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glademaster View Post
    I genuinely don't understand the push to have one boot and one binding to do it all well.
    the dream is to pay for only one pair of boots?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acinpdx View Post
    the dream is to pay for only one pair of boots?
    I think if you're a savvy shopper you can spend less buying a nice race-inspired boot and touring boots than buying some uber-quiver-hoji boot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Steve View Post
    Responding to Lindahl's comments: My only complaint re Dynafit release is the rare vertical release when I get in a hole and bounce out. That happens, maybe, once per season, i.e., my tech bindings result in unwanted releases no more often than my DH bindings do. IME, the lateral release of all my Dynafits (Speed Classic, Comfort, Vert FT) has been very reliable.

    Ah, but keep the Dyna bellyaching comin' and when y'all switch to the latest non-Dynafit tech bindings please offer to sell me your Speed Classic heels, which I'll buy at the right price.
    front country/back country/side country I dial in 1 extra din (or WTF) more than my normal alpine din for the upward figure on my rads & verts (even my FR+) which IME takes care of prerelease

    A lot of redundancy in the 3 pair of dynafits I own, also the average price was pretty fcuking low compared to the latest offerings and I am happy enough with the performance

    http://www.mec.ca/shop/snowsports-al...10+50006+50210

    BUT if i wasn't so committed the ION is din12 for 499$ which is this years bargoon compared to 629$ for the FT's this yr ... que ce que fuck eh ?
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