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09-02-2014, 04:58 PM #126Registered User
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...progress in the right direction.
As far as good in-bounds claims go, it's flawed, read Rick Howell's comments on Wildsnow -
https://www.wildsnow.com/14363/marke...view/#comments
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09-02-2014, 05:02 PM #127
Just curious why? Why not just use an alpine binding? Sounds expensive.
IMO, this binding helps fill an ever growing niche in skiing and for that growing segment of "slack country" and/or "free ride touring" (less concerned about counting ounces and more focused on performance) this binding may prove to be the next step in the evolution.
Time will tell.The Passion is in the Risk
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09-02-2014, 05:27 PM #128
My thoughts exactly. Only upside I can see is if it offers more consistent release.
But I must say, Marker has done a damn good job making this new binding feel like the second coming of Christ or something. Well played Marker, well played.
Another advantage is if you frequently fall backwards or backslap you can now enjoy the dildo heel aggressing your backside MILES from the car.
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09-02-2014, 06:06 PM #129Registered User
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09-02-2014, 06:31 PM #130
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09-02-2014, 06:48 PM #131
There is a niche for those who aren't happy with the tech/alpine compromises so far and are willing to pay the price to have the best of both worlds.
Way far out on the fringes are those willing to experiment and pay to get it all in the same run. (CAST etc...)
I'm happy to see the compromises get better with innovations like this, time and independent testing will tell if they made good design and material decisions. (Is the toe wing carrier plastic?)
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09-02-2014, 07:22 PM #132
^^^ Fair enough!
The Passion is in the Risk
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09-02-2014, 09:18 PM #133
mod edit/question-----
was looking at two threads here on the exact same topic, figured they'd be good for my first attempt at a merge....
good/bad idea?Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.
Patterson Hood of the DBT's
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09-02-2014, 09:23 PM #134
and, interesting earlyups summary of it here
Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.
Patterson Hood of the DBT's
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09-02-2014, 09:39 PM #135
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09-02-2014, 10:26 PM #136
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09-02-2014, 10:28 PM #137Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.
Patterson Hood of the DBT's
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09-03-2014, 12:26 AM #138
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09-03-2014, 12:30 AM #139
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09-03-2014, 04:56 AM #140
New tech binding Marker "King"
But there's certainly room for a binding that releases better than current tech offerings, while offering better touring capabilities than frame bindings.
There's plenty of us that want the tech binding touring, but are having problems with the release characteristics which require us to change how we ski (or change to a frame binding) - especially in nearcountry scenarios.
There's also something to be said for a setup that allows you to rip the resort in the AM and then head out back in the PM.
After being on CAST last year, it comes pretty close, but I'd like to try something with less pieces this year - the Beast 16, and gonna try to get my hands on an ATK Raider 14 (I really just need better vertical retention). The Kingpin looks great, but I'm thoroughly annoyed it tops out at 13, as I have to run my Dukes at 13 right now.Last edited by Lindahl; 09-03-2014 at 05:10 AM.
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09-03-2014, 05:48 AM #141Registered User
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09-03-2014, 07:54 AM #142Something about the wrinkle in your forehead tells me there's a fit about to get thrown
And I never hear a single word you say when you tell me not to have my fun
It's the same old shit that I ain't gonna take off anyone.
and I never had a shortage of people tryin' to warn me about the dangers I pose to myself.
Patterson Hood of the DBT's
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09-03-2014, 08:04 AM #143
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09-03-2014, 09:05 AM #144
I see four common complaints with the downhill ski performance of "traditional" tech bindings. And by that I mean Dynafit Vertical, Radical, etc. since they were really the only game in town until recently.
1) prerelease, generally caused by the ski overflexing and thus shortening the distance between binding toe and heel. Boot heel hits binding heel and the boot is shoved forward out of the toe. A few people also complain that the max release value is too low but this is a little less common.
2) lack of elasticity/energy absorption in the toe, translating to a harsh ride on hard snow with lots of vibration transmitted directly to the boot.
3) lack of downward and forward pressure in the heel, leading to a vagueness in control of the rear half of the ski, especially in pivoting movements.
4) too much ramp angle
To me, this binding looks like it will do a better job of addressing 3) than any other offering, offering the most secure and positive heel connection. This is really my biggest complaint about my Radicals so I'm interested to ski them. My main concern is that it won't do enough (if anything) to address 2), which is my second largest complaint about my Radicals. We'll see. If nothing else, it's good to see more companies trying new designs in tech bindings and I do think that once the initial flurry of development settles we'll be left with a selection of bindings that are significantly improved over the old tech bindings.Last edited by adrenalated; 09-03-2014 at 09:16 AM.
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09-03-2014, 09:25 AM #145
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09-03-2014, 11:56 AM #146
Responding to Lindahl's comments: My only complaint re Dynafit release is the rare vertical release when I get in a hole and bounce out. That happens, maybe, once per season, i.e., my tech bindings result in unwanted releases no more often than my DH bindings do. IME, the lateral release of all my Dynafits (Speed Classic, Comfort, Vert FT) has been very reliable.
Ah, but keep the Dyna bellyaching comin' and when y'all switch to the latest non-Dynafit tech bindings please offer to sell me your Speed Classic heels, which I'll buy at the right price.
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09-03-2014, 12:44 PM #147
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09-03-2014, 01:34 PM #148
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09-03-2014, 01:55 PM #149
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09-03-2014, 01:58 PM #150Registered User
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front country/back country/side country I dial in 1 extra din (or WTF) more than my normal alpine din for the upward figure on my rads & verts (even my FR+) which IME takes care of prerelease
A lot of redundancy in the 3 pair of dynafits I own, also the average price was pretty fcuking low compared to the latest offerings and I am happy enough with the performance
http://www.mec.ca/shop/snowsports-al...10+50006+50210
BUT if i wasn't so committed the ION is din12 for 499$ which is this years bargoon compared to 629$ for the FT's this yr ... que ce que fuck eh ?Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know
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