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  1. #76
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    I am intrigued though. If I got serious about getting a tech setup and this isn't total crap I could prolly be swayed that way. I love all my marker alpine binders. Tough as nails. Excited for some reviews.

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    Its another untested tech binding? Other then trying to get into that growing market, what is new/better about this tech binding, that others have not solved in the part 30 years?

    media release now, dealers in feb, for delivery in fall 15. Then after a year of real testing, it MIGHT be a good option to buy in fall 2016


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    Quote Originally Posted by mntlion View Post
    Its another untested tech binding? Other then trying to get into that growing market, what is new/better about this tech binding, that others have not solved in the part 30 years?

    media release now, dealers in feb, for delivery in fall 15. Then after a year of real testing, it MIGHT be a good option to buy in fall 2016
    +1. I'll stick with my dynafiddles.
    "...if you're not doing a double flip cork something, skiing spines in Haines, or doing double flip cork somethings off spines in Haines, you're pretty much just gaping."

  4. #79
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    I wish someone would come up with a tech binding on plates that can easily be swapped with an alpine binding with toe adjustment for all boot types. Will be interesting to see the King's screw hole template...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    I wish someone would come up with a tech binding on plates that can easily be swapped with an alpine binding with toe adjustment for all boot types. Will be interesting to see the King's screw hole template...
    ^ What happened to your photo of the RP2's? Badass rig.

    Hopefully they had the sense to make it the Duke pattern, which obviously won't work for all BSL's but would really appeal to those within the range of adjustment (or remounting only the heel).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1000-oaks View Post
    ^ What happened to your photo of the RP2's? Badass rig.

    Hopefully they had the sense to make it the Duke pattern, which obviously won't work for all BSL's but would really appeal to those within the range of adjustment (or remounting only the heel).

    I didn't want to cunt up this thread with my RP2 build as I'm sure it would turn into that. I'm waiting for the epoxy to cure on the first set of inserts before installing the next. I'll post a new thread about all that when it's done-done.

    It would be really sweet if it was the duke pattern, that way Marker could be giving an easy upgrade path for those who don't want to buy new skis or put new holes in.

  7. #82
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    From what i understood there will be a batch available for sale this fall (in germany)

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    Let's wait for sept. then

  9. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ivan Oder View Post
    I wish someone would come up with a tech binding on plates that can easily be swapped with an alpine binding with toe adjustment for all boot types. Will be interesting to see the King's screw hole template...
    You mean the CAST system?
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  11. #86
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    So no twizzly toe, and no adjustable toe release value... just an extra set of springs (that can't hold the toe in that much more strongly anyway). That's kinda surprising. I was thinking that the Vipec/TR2-type toes were more likely.

    Neat heel design, though. Yay for no boot mods, and changeable brakes.

  12. #87
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    So its basically an old Marker MRR heel on a slidey thing, with a Dynafit toe.
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  13. #88
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    yeah. that lock lever will be bomber, just like it was for the duke and baron.... what does the z-13 version weigh?

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    Bummed it only goes up to 13 - probably knocks it out of contention for me (had to run my Dukes at 13). Hope they come out with a 16 version. Annoyed that they didn't release weights, also.

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    I'll gladly be a tester!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lindahl View Post
    Annoyed that they didn't release weights, also.
    Hidden in a mouseover on their site. 730g screws and brake, 645g without brake.

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    stop looking at the toe piece. The heel piece is what is the deal maker with this. You have a full contact break pad, and a standard wide contact point on the heel lug with downward and forward pressure The big issue with using current tech bindings aggressively is that the heal piece does little to lock the boot and stop it from rotating along the x-axis (length of the ski).

    I'll test the shit out of this thing, if anyone is paying attention. Who gives a fuck about weight, it will undoubtedly weigh less than an f10. For longer tours a radical speed will still be my go to, but this appears to be the answer for wider skis.

    And I'm normally the guy who will give others a couple years to figure it out. Interested to see how Salomon responds with their tech binding.

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    Radical FT weighs 600gr and Beast 16 is 935gr for comparison.

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    Weighs about 100g less than Beast 16 per foot, if my memory serves. Hope it's good.

  21. #96
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    Since they probably started design of these a few years ago it seems the Radical FT12 was their benchmark:

    FT12 KingPin13
    DIN 12 13
    Screw width 33mm 38mm
    Weight 599 730

    It is interesting they chose stronger spring tension in the toe to solve pre-releases vs Dynafit's usage of a rotating toe (Radical 2, Beast 14/16). I wonder how the elasticity of the KingPin compares to the Radical 2 or Beast 14/16.

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    So now the ultimate setup is a beast toe + kingpin heel?

    Who'll do a bench test?
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    According to wildsnow:

    Exact cost will depend on brake width, but most common MSRPs are

    $599.00 for the 5-10 DIN (the “10″ model)
    $649.00 for the 6-13 DIN (the “11″ model)

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    I'm glad they've got a heel that does not use any funky heel modification, including the standard pin slots.

    Lots of moving parts. Will be interesting to see if any slop/breakage develops with that lever. Any testers want to pour some water on it and put it in the freezer for an hour?

    I'm happy to wait and see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bfly View Post
    It is interesting they chose stronger spring tension in the toe to solve pre-releases vs Dynafit's usage of a rotating toe (Radical 2, Beast 14/16). I wonder how the elasticity of the KingPin compares to the Radical 2 or Beast 14/16.
    IMHO rotating toes do nothing to prevent toe releases (caused by a compressed ski and running out of pin stroke at the heel). The heel elasticity of the Radical 2 and Beast are what helps prevent toe pre-releases, the toe rotation is simply for consistent release values for DIN certification.

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