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Thread: Knuckledraggers sue Alta
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01-16-2014, 09:28 AM #26
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01-16-2014, 09:43 AM #27Registered User
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01-16-2014, 10:26 AM #28
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01-16-2014, 10:58 AM #31
I'm posting to secure my space in this very important discussion.
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01-16-2014, 11:05 AM #33Registered User
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#33...........
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01-16-2014, 11:53 AM #34
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01-16-2014, 12:09 PM #35
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01-16-2014, 12:20 PM #36
But a business can refuse service to anyone unless they are a protected class, no? When bartending I can refuse to serve drinks to anyone because I think they shouldn't drink, but I cannot refuse service to someone for being black. You cannot ride up the lifts with a Toboggan or MT. Bike in the winter either, so wouldn't the snowboarders in this case need to demonstrate that they are a protected class and thus cannot be "discriminated" against?
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01-16-2014, 12:49 PM #37
I don't care what happens at Alta.
but clearly one good solution would be to ban skiers at the Bird!
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01-16-2014, 12:49 PM #38
Tippster's got it exactly right. Snowboarders aren't a protected class but if Alta refused service to only black snowboarders, there would be a case.
I'm going to get three buddies together and sue WSDOT for not allowing us to ride our bikes on I-5 through downtown Seattle. About as much of a chance of winning that as these guys have with their little bitch session.
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01-16-2014, 01:02 PM #39
^^^This is a good idea.
I think I'm going to sue the state of California for not allowing me to ride my mountain bike off paved roads in state parks. Hikers can go there - totally discriminatory.
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01-16-2014, 01:07 PM #40
Contrary to popular belief, snowboarders access the public land at Alta all the time. They access it before Alta opens in the fall and after Alta closes in the spring. They access it via the gates from Snowbird all the time. They access it from the top of Patsy Marley. So to say that the USFS allows Alta to prohibit snowboarder on public land is a bit disingenuous.
What Alta prohibits is the riding of the lifts, which ARE privately owned. This is no different than a fine dining restaurant denying access based on dress code. Show up with out a jacket and a tie, and sorry no service. Put on said jacket and tie and come right in please. This case is going nowhere.This is the worst pain EVER!
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01-16-2014, 01:12 PM #41
SO what do you call a snowboarder that got dumped by his girlfriend?
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01-16-2014, 01:13 PM #42
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01-16-2014, 01:19 PM #43
Alta lifts not allowing snowboards is douchy behavior. I would love to see the forest service not renew Alta lifts' lease because of them being douches and choose to lease the land to a group less douchy or no one at all.
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01-16-2014, 01:25 PM #44
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01-16-2014, 01:28 PM #45
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01-16-2014, 01:48 PM #46
Seems like a strange business decision to exclude paying customers. Id love to know the logic behind the policy.
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01-16-2014, 01:55 PM #47
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01-16-2014, 02:05 PM #48
The complicating issue is that it is a business run on and by license of the Feds. Not sure how that will work out. The equal protection clause claim only addresses government action; depending on the nature of the group being subjected to disparate treatment, for ex., a racial group as opposed to a bunch of mouth breathing, unwashed knuckle draggers, the justification for the disparate treatment by the government will be examined on a different basis. If the group is a "protected class", the standard is going to be very high, if not impossible. If not, then the government would only need to show a rational basis for the disparate treatment.
An individual business, non government related, refusing to do business with someone, even on the basis of their race, is not an equal protection issue under federal law. It may be addressed under other federal laws or state laws.Quando paramucho mi amore de felice carathon.
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01-16-2014, 02:08 PM #49
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01-16-2014, 02:10 PM #50
Here's an interesting idea, that I had not thought of, if deciding for the plaintiffs violates Alta’s lease terms, does that create a takings case for Alta against the government?
Food for thought....This is the worst pain EVER!
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