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01-09-2014, 02:44 PM #151
Sled is still there....
ROLL TIDE ROLL
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01-09-2014, 05:31 PM #152
If you don't believe that you have to bring your same avi game to this terrain as EV, then you are on crack. I know that people treat mushie mentally different from EV, but they shouldn't. It's a false fallacy that you are preaching. There are tons of lines all over EV that are way "safer" than a lot of lines in mushie, and there are lines in mushie that are a lot "safer" than CDC. Putting those zones in separate categories is misleading and unwise.
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01-09-2014, 05:31 PM #153
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01-09-2014, 05:42 PM #154
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01-09-2014, 05:59 PM #155
CAIC just tweeted a slide in East Vail - 4 caught.
That sled has been useful in the past for sure.
Last edited by montanaskier; 01-09-2014 at 07:01 PM.
ROLL TIDE ROLL
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01-09-2014, 11:31 PM #156
Mushroom slide path from the top of China wall, photo Chute I think the boys call it, the wide one in Maker's Photo-
No thanks! I'll take wimpy trees.
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01-09-2014, 11:32 PM #157
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01-10-2014, 06:55 AM #158Registered User
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Anyone else think this headline is a little misleading?:
"Killer avalanche was big, unpredictable, CAIC says"
http://www.vaildaily.com/news/966234...azar-vail-east
Unpredictable? Really?Last edited by shredgnar; 01-10-2014 at 07:28 AM.
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01-10-2014, 07:24 AM #159
Yeah, very misleading. Thats some feel-good reporting right there.
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01-10-2014, 07:39 AM #160Registered User
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I think it does a disservice to the victims to act as though it was just bad luck. "Unpredictable"? They why the fuck do we have the CAIC? Why are they wasting their time "FORECASTING" conditions and avalanche probability?
Once again, a hack journalist
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01-10-2014, 09:02 AM #161
IMO, more of a disservice to others using the BC. It's all unpredictable, right? So your own decisions play no part in the outcome, seems like the takeaway.
Will be interesting to see the full CAIC incident report when it comes out. I'll reserve my opinion of their analysis until then. Not that my jong-ass opinion matters anyway.
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01-10-2014, 09:09 AM #162Registered User
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We may be reading something into it which was not intended. Unpredictable is used by CAIC in the context of unpredictable behavior and size once triggered and we are reading it to mean, "woah that slide came out of nowhere!" I think CAIC has been using the word unpredictable recently to mean that some slides are going small, however some are going wide, deep & long. You just don't know which size you are going to trigger when you do kick one loose.
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01-10-2014, 09:29 AM #163Registered User
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One thing that hasn't been discussed in this thread much is: how did it come to be that FOUR people were caught in the slide...(!?).
It will be interesting to read the final CAIC report.
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01-10-2014, 09:57 AM #164Banned
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01-10-2014, 10:13 AM #165
Well, they follow up with this -
VAIL — The avalanche that killed a lifetime local was likely unpredictable and big enough to damage a house, said the Colorado Avalanche Information Center....
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01-10-2014, 10:21 AM #166Registered User
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Thank you, rog, for playing captain obvious to my poorly drafted question. These guys weren't new to the backcountry. I guess I'm just curious as to the group decision-making process that led to them being on the slope all at the same time... Hopefully one of the other three will share their story in time.
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01-10-2014, 11:10 AM #167Registered User
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I thought I had heard the mushie has taken a few lives but I could be wrong or my source could have been misinformed. Either way, I know there haven't been any deaths since I started skiing Vail but there have been several nonfatal accidents in that area. I feel the lack of fatalities can be misleading since the area doesn't get much traffic. People tend to avoid the long slog to get out and almost having to duck a rope back inbounds, which can get ur pass pulled in a hurry. It's alot easier for lazy people to go through the chutes because there is no climb out or ducking ropes to get back inbounds. The easier the route, the more traffic, the higher the probability of an accident. The terrain in the mushroom bowl really isn't any safer than the chutes, depending on the route.
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01-10-2014, 11:53 AM #168Registered User
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Back when I took my Avy I class, I was told that "Skid Row" in Mushroom bowl was named after a guy killed there because he had Skid Row playing on his walkman. Not sure if this is fact or urban legend, but obviously Mushroom bowl can be plenty dangerous as others have pointed out.
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01-10-2014, 12:18 PM #169
Yes, Mushroom is VERY dangerous...especially the face that points North under the hanging cliff/cornice that was posted in the photo before. But, if you are skiing the almost no vert, meadowskipping portion in the treed zones that face west by the road, well then let's be honest and say it isn't AS dangerous (tree wells on big years, not withstanding).
I guess my point is whether it is EV or Mushroom, or Berthoud or Loveland, Bald Spot, and on and on that the best way to avoid trouble if venturing out is all about line selection and where you choose to ski more than anything.Last edited by PowTron; 01-10-2014 at 02:59 PM.
You should have been here yesterday!
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01-10-2014, 02:44 PM #170skin track terrorist
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01-10-2014, 03:36 PM #171
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01-10-2014, 03:48 PM #172
I hate armchairing, so treat this as one possible guess (and certainly not a judgment), based on the reasonable assumption that they had avalanche knowledge and were attempting to practice safe travel in avy terrain. I'm no EV expert, never skied there but sure have looked at it tons (in person and in pictures) and unfortunately have read many slide zone threads about it. What I gather is that for many of the lines including this one, there are no truly safe zones, just safer zones. And looking at the picture, that face went huge. So it is quite possible that the other people were in those safer zones when the slide started, but it stepped down and propagated widely, catching them too.
Pure conjecture, but a reasonable possibility. By definition, you can say what Rog said, because people don't get caught if they're not on the slope in some fashion, but it's not terribly useful. But the fact that 4 people got caught doesn't mean that they were all standing in the middle of the path."fuck off you asshat gaper shit for brains fucktard wanker." - Jesus Christ
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01-10-2014, 04:46 PM #173
^^^whether that's true or not, it is a good reminder that safe zones trump line of sight. Also, when skiing big lines companion rescue is all but impossible from the bottom. I don't know what happened but a couple other scenarios are that one or multiple skiers were caught from the top of the line (peeking in and it went) or that someone skied/traversed on top of them. Point being, there is nothing to gain from trowing them under the bus. Especially not before the full report is released. I've got my opinions but I'll keep them to myself.
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01-10-2014, 08:23 PM #174
Now isn't quite the time for assuming anything. But reflecting and having honest debates without question of blame is another way we can keep our own heads above snow in the future. Isn't it?
The obvious lessions will come in good time via facts and free discussion will occur, but for now- We lost one of the tribe.
And that sucks.
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01-10-2014, 09:23 PM #175
Well, here we go!
http://www.vaildaily.com/news/969558...ony-selig-eastあなたのおっぱいは富士山のように美しいです。富士
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