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10-09-2013, 09:50 PM #26
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10-09-2013, 10:02 PM #27
You gotta understand the jedi knight bullshit e-persona that rog's adopted and repeats ad nauseam ....even now about trucks.
Don't wear a helmet as it will make you reckless.
Don't fall when you ski.
Don't wear goggles as it will cut down on your vision.
Don't wear air bags as it will make you reckless.
Ski lightly.
etc.
etc.
And his latest.
Don't use snow tires in the snow...it will make you a bad driver.TGR Bureau Chief, Greenwater, WA
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10-09-2013, 10:15 PM #28Banned
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cuntboy, it's a TR. TR's are open for discussion. watch vid again and at around 30 seconds there is clearly room for him to ski right (he was headed that way) onto the bed surface where he then coulda stopped safely and watched the avy slip away from him. you are such a butthurt lil cuntboy.
rog
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10-09-2013, 10:18 PM #29Banned
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10-09-2013, 10:23 PM #30
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10-09-2013, 10:24 PM #31
Movie is kinda weird, but I guess the filming for a commercial or something makes sense. What strikes me is that for a publicity video for ABS one of their athletes setting off a bigass slide seems to suggest that they're leaning more towards the idea that you don't need to be safe when you have the gadgets. Now obviously shit happens, and avalanches happen even if a guy takes all the precautions, but that was a BIG slab, maybe they shouldn't have skied that slope that day? Not trying to armchair QB it, obviously I didn't see the pit and know nothing about that particular snowpack, just food for thought.
In my opinion the ski industry with products like ABS and Avalung are going for a "don't worry as much, we got your back" instead of stressing that while the products save lives and are great investments they're no replacement for training and common sense.
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10-09-2013, 10:28 PM #32Banned
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10-09-2013, 11:28 PM #33
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10-09-2013, 11:48 PM #34
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10-09-2013, 11:51 PM #35
Airbags not going to help that much if he ended up in hudge fucking terrain trap at the bottom.
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10-09-2013, 11:55 PM #36
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2NE-TQQFtA#
Some explanation.
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10-10-2013, 02:55 AM #37
I think the conspiracy has already been debunked, but just to add that the heli is for filming not rescue. There is no winch and you see on the gopro the camera man is strapped in.
Pressure of the commercial shoot I guess, but I really don't know why would you go on a slope like that after a week of snow, 12 feet of new and level 4 or 5 conditions. Not sure when it was this season, the Pyrennes had a few big snow events like this this year, but every time they did it took a long time for things to settle.
I also don't understand trying to point it. He's at the top of the slope, that's where I'd want to stay. Go left or right or stop right there, watchever. Sure you might get taken out, but rather be taken out with 50m of slope above you than 300m.
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10-10-2013, 03:13 AM #38
Agree. Just from a basic perspective, without even being complicated...
Terrain = Steep+, unsupported, unanchored, terrain trap (cliff)
Snow = recent loading+, Considerable or higher danger. Some warming. And my gut says recent avalanches and signs of instability would have been visible, but that is just a guess.
And even simpler... first blue bird after a big storm.
I think that is the second clip recently of a pro-skier near miss that roughly fits this description.Life is not lift served.
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10-10-2013, 03:25 AM #39
This.
It has been an insane snow year in the Pyrénées. Huge accumulations, warm weather : very very unstable conditions. On the western part of the range resorts have even been completely shut down for several days. (Though I think this has been shot in Val d'Aran, on the south east side)."Typically euro, french in particular, in my opinion. It's the same skiing or climbing there. They are completely unfazed by their own assholeness. Like it's normal." - srsosbso
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10-10-2013, 06:32 AM #40Banned
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lil cunt boy is gonna have his work cut out for him today............
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10-10-2013, 06:45 AM #41Registered User
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Also if you take a look at the final advert it clearly wasn't the only slide he triggered and tried to ski out of that day:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_s3q1dNP1c0
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10-10-2013, 06:55 AM #42Banned
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10-10-2013, 09:01 AM #43
Funny thing is that in the explanation video he says that he lost his googles.
Right at the point where you can see them on his head.
See 1:49
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=L2NE-TQQFtA#
FWIW : I think it is a really dumb video.
Sounds like 12 days of heavy snow, 1 foot over night, first blue sky day & obvious wind loading in the first sequence.
But the "freerider" pulled the trigger and everything was OK....
Is this really the message ABS should be sending out to 20 year old kids ?
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10-10-2013, 09:34 AM #44Chowder Lover
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It's a great marketing tool. It shows that even the pros can screw up and this time, when one did, he is likely alive due to his equipment.
It's always going to be a fine line with this type of thing. Anything that makes a bad situation safer will encourage some to push the limit. Those guys were probably going to push it sooner or later anyway though.
By what other method can they send the message that these things are worth over $1,000 plus the added weight penalty on the way up. Videos like this drive that message home, the bag helps save your ass when you get stupid.
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10-10-2013, 09:50 AM #45
^ I agree, we all can make mistakes. However that video glorifies an obvious error. Basically send out the message that if you drop into a wind loaded face and it avalanches then you just pull the trigger and it will be ok.
ABS make great kit, and airbags can save lives. However i find their "97% survival rate statistic" used in their advertising very dubious. Arguably immoral.
More so when they make slick adverts such as that with similar messages.....
One last rant : the guy in the video is clearly not a "professional/pro". He is a 24 year old kid who got lucky....
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10-10-2013, 09:52 AM #46
I agree that they drive A message. Not sure if it is the message that most people concerned about avalanche safety want to drive.
I rarely agree with Rog and it is difficult to tell if going right (as suggested) would have led to a better outcome, but in this case and in most, trying to outrun a slide when it breaks that close above you and then below you seems to me to be the least good of all options.
This video may sell more air bags and it also may lead to more people "getting stupid".
I will stick to terrain selection and risk mitigation.I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.
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10-10-2013, 10:04 AM #47
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10-10-2013, 11:15 AM #48
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10-10-2013, 11:27 AM #49
I will stick to thread selection and post mitigation.
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10-10-2013, 11:47 AM #50
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