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Thread: Las Lenas Vs. Valle Nevado ETC
03-09-2005, 09:12 PM #1
Las Lenas Vs. Valle Nevado ETC
I am planning my honeymoon. Don't know where to start. Give me some help SA mags?
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03-09-2005, 09:42 PM #2
definitely hook up with mark (he posts here, but rarely, as Squeaky)
he'll set you up right. if I was doing a honeymoon in SA, I'd definitely start with Squeaky for the best set up.
As for Lenas- there's not much to do except ski. And the terrain is pretty hard corp. Anything above intermediate level is considered 'true backcountry' Need a good touring set w/at least beacon, shovel, probe and avie knowledge to enjoy the fruits (or hire a guide through Mark). I'd probably opt for some days in Bariloche myself if I was taking a honeymoon- much more romantic and a better cross-section of terrain. Plus if the snow goes sour (which it can often in SA) there are lots of off-hill options.
03-10-2005, 09:52 AM #3
03-11-2005, 11:40 AM #4
I'd take a very hard look at Bariloche, Argentina.
Beautiful, amenities, nice town, easy pace...
I would be careful of the Buenos Aires school holidays, which send busloads of little matching munchkins wandering around Bariloche in the late winter, and might (might!) damper the "honeymoon" feeling.It's idomatic, beatch.
03-26-2005, 04:26 PM #5Originally Posted by Cornholio
03-30-2005, 05:26 PM #6Originally Posted by Squirrel99
Guess I need to do some more research.....She is a really good skier, (grew up racing) and didn't have any trouble in JH. She doesn't have a touring set up though. I have very little avie experience, and she has none. On the guide issue someone once told me if you join the ski club of great Britian you can get cheap/free guides....Ummm flame on.RIP: MLM 11.6.80 - 4.11.13
03-30-2005, 06:30 PM #7
Another vote for Mark. He took great care of us last year. All my SA plans will go through him in the future.
In Lenas, touring is highly desirable. Although there's some great stuff that only requires a relatively short hike, so touring gear isn't required. If they have a great year snow wise, I wouldn't worry about AT gear. I think you'll be plenty happy without it.
That said, I think Bariloche and the surrounding area might be a better call. Especially if you stay at the Llao Llao. It's an incredible resort and you'll avoid all the stupid high schoolers if it's that time of year. Still, town is really fun. Lots of hotels, restaurants, bars, etc. Also, you can do side trips to Caviahue and La Hoya."I knew in an instant that the three dollars I had spent on wine would not go to waste."
04-11-2005, 05:02 PM #8
What about moguls? Anyone have any experience?RIP: MLM 11.6.80 - 4.11.13
04-11-2005, 06:15 PM #9Originally Posted by PhishingME
I also think that you can get a much better price on your own than what moguls is asking for...but that's just my two cents.
Another tour operator is skipatagonia.com I secured my first trip through Martina's group and it worked out- but if you are going the route of a tour operator- I would definitely check in with mark's company. All they do is live, eat, breathe and ski SA (in the summer) and Whistler (in the winter). I can attest to that as a friend- but also being in Whistler once and having him rearrange a client's entire vacation to Banff- including private charted air transport, ski instructors, hotel lodging, ground transfers, etc... all done within a day's notice. I also trust mark a lot more than some of the other tour companies you may run into. I'm not saying this just as a friend, but as a hospitality industry employee- I believe in the quality end product you receive through mark.
04-11-2005, 07:21 PM #10
I went on my honeymoon (Luna de Miel) to Argentina in 2002. It was awesome. Get a room or suite at the Pisces, tell them you are on your honeymoon, and you will get the royal royal treatment. I would also highly suggest a few nights in Buenos Aires. It is dirt cheap and a kick ass city, a great place to get some romance to go along with ripping in the Andes!
By the way, we loved the country so much we sold our house in Tahoe and bought property down there and are moving in June! Rock On!
04-11-2005, 07:54 PM #11Senor Swandive
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04-11-2005, 08:13 PM #12
DANGER WILL ROBINSON!!
--> Moguls sucks. <--
You definitely don't need a travel agent or any sort of tour op. Just go. Keep your money.It's idomatic, beatch.
04-11-2005, 09:29 PM #13Registered User
Originally Posted by Squirrel99Elvis has left the building
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04-12-2005, 06:09 PM #14
I was thinking of just doing it myself, but the Las Lenas site does not have the price posted yet.RIP: MLM 11.6.80 - 4.11.13
04-12-2005, 07:47 PM #15
Go with Mark and Bryce at laslenasski - They will be there in LL if you need help with anything. Chances are that any other agent will still be in the States having just sold you a package they bought for you direct from LL or from another agent.
04-18-2005, 03:51 AM #16Mike Pow
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- Between a rock and a soft place. Aberdare and The Brecon Beacons, Wales
Also take a look at Caviahue and Chapelco.
If you have the time and cash then a circuit taking in Portillo, Las Lenas, Caviahue, Chapelco, Bariloche, Pucon and Termas would pretty much guarantee great snow and a good feel for that part of the world.
Last summer Argentina was much better value than Chile. Looks like it will be the same this summer.
Can't wait until the end of August for my annual fix.
04-19-2005, 05:58 PM #17
Thanks for the feedback. I ended up going with southamericaski.com. Mark seemed pretty cool, and he's down there all summer um ah WINTER!RIP: MLM 11.6.80 - 4.11.13
01-16-2006, 06:03 PM #18Originally Posted by PNWbrit
You don't need touring gear for Las Lenas as there is a lot of great stuff that's completely lift accessible. It is quite Gnar! in general though... so various off piste gear and know-how important. You can pick up in town the "Las Lenas Ski Guide" which is great for telling you about all the possible lines. Also possible to stay pretty posh in some of the five star-ish hotels there.
Bariloche also nice...
I was completely unimpressed with both Valle Nevado and El Colorado. La Parva seemed to have enough to entertain for a few days, and the nicest set of honeymoon-style accommodation.
So how about you land in Santiago and do La Parva (1 hour shuttle bus) -> Portillo (via Santiago, half day bus) -> Las Lenas (half day bus via Mendoza with possible overnight required in Mendoza). Then return bus Las Lenas -> Mendoza, flight from Mendoza to Santiago.
Most people on this board know my anti-guiding attitude... I would at least try to see what you can book online direct with the resorts. They all generally have decent websites with a lot of pictures of the rooms and so forth and I would think can arrange your transfers. Book your Mendoza -> Santiago return flight on LanChile and you're done. Why bother with paying a guide? But hey that's just me.
Be very careful about what season you pick as the ski season is generally very short and snow is extremely variable (huge dumps some years, most resorts completely closed other years). Actually booking in advance (which you almost certainly must do on this kind of trip) seems quite risky to me given the South American winters. Be careful to filter out some of the hype and be prepared in the best case for an awesome experience and in the worst case apres ski all day.
Have fun and congradulations!
01-16-2006, 07:48 PM #19Originally Posted by PNWbrit
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01-16-2006, 08:38 PM #20
Las Lenas has some of the best skiing in my opinion. Bariloche, I love. The skiing is not as good as Las Lenas, but it can be good. But, the town as soooo much to offer. So, if it's a bad day of skiing, you have lots to do. you have to remember that most of the skiing in SA is above treeline, so if it snows, it sucks cuz you can't see anywhere where you're skiing. You might as well do something else for the day. Close to Bariloche is a place called San Martin de los Andes and I had a blast skiing there as well. Portillo is okay, but not on the top of my radar for skiing. It gets a lot of publicity, and the logde is a cool place to hang out. But, I think Bariloche or Las Lenas are much better. Off the beaten track is a place called Termas de Chillan (I think that's how it's spelled). No one I know has been there. But, it was some of the most amazing skiing. Not sure whether I had a better time at Termas de Chillan or Las Lenas as far as the skiing goes. The only downfall to Termas is that there is not much to do. There's the lodge, a few hotels or B&B's down the road and that's it. But, it is good skiing.
A post you wrote asked about moguls... Bariloche and San martin de los andes had some memorable moguls. I know this as I am quite an avid bump skier.
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01-17-2006, 03:44 PM #21
Did someone seriously recommend Llao Llao? WTF? There are so many kickass places that are actually close to or in Bariloche and its unbelievable restaurants and bars. But I guess if you would rather hang out with a bunch of rich American Republicans...
Plus, in Bariloche, you can go to Mr. Cock.
01-17-2006, 06:41 PM #22
I lived in Santiago for 8 yrs and Skied Valle Nevado and El Colorado constantly. I would definetly say that Portillo has the best Hotel and beautiful scenery. The inbounds skiing is so so but if you are willing to hike there are some nice lines to be had. Valle nevado has a good hotel and the skiing pretty good. El Colorado I do not reccommend even though I was a pass holder for 8 yrs. It gets all the crowd from the city and the smog will eventually over whelm you. La Parva is decent sking but I do Not know of any hotel. I think you can get a pass for all three resorts, that would be worth it. Las Lenas, although I have never been there I hear has the best terrain but it is very isolated. Spliiting your time between POrtillo and Las Lenas would probably be the best trip if you have the time. POrtillo is on the way to Las Lenas from Chile.
Also avoid July, that is their winter break. Early Aug is ideal as there wil be a better snowpack and still some dumping to be done.
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01-17-2006, 07:02 PM #23
When at Portillo I asked locals and they said very often the upper mt terrain lift access at Valle Nevado is closed due to winds; more often than not.
The on piste is limited; the off piste is boundless (no pun intended) and all you need to due is traverse a bit or hike as much as you like. It's not THAT posh but it's pretty nice. If you are used to Aspen or Vail posh you will not be happy. But if you want to ski in the summer, I had such a good time that I'm going back for one and maybe two weeks in August 2006. Heck, there's no skiing in Tahoe then.Every man dies. Not every man lives.
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02-11-2006, 07:49 PM #24Squatch Guest
I was curious...people talk about cost a lot for SA skiing, but what exactly is the cost range? How much is it per day, more of less (lodging, lift tickets, food)? I'm thinking about a trip down there this summer but cost is a huge factor...not used to having to fly to my ski vacations.
02-12-2006, 06:00 AM #25
The plane ticket is the biggest expense. From there, while you should not expect "dirt" cheap - skiing in South America is marketed to the ultra-rich Chilians and Argentinians - everything is at least a lot cheaper compared to the same thing in the USA. Food is ultra cheap, lodging can be done for $20/night dormatory-style, more as the room gets nicer. Lift tickets at Las Lenas were I believe $25/day, but that should be easy to discover surfing the various websites like www.laslenas.com.
Be careful it CAN get fairly expensive doing all-inclusive deals and hiring guides. (Niether of which is really necessary IMO)