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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Up at Kootenay Lake for Xmas for 2 weeks….thinking about an Armada WhiteWalker 121.... for Whitewater Ski Resort.

    Searched but haven't found out much about the WhiteWalker 121 ski? Pretty light at ~1,850 gm per ski....looks like a Bentchetler 120 replacement (just sold). Surfy as hell? (which I like), with the bevelling in the pin tip and tail?

    183cm specs: 141 / 121 / 137

    18 turn radius

    I think rec mounts are from -2cm (Sammy) to -4.5cm (me). Again perfect.

    It appears to ski like a super light Renegade in the vid? Not sure what binders I would put on these.... Tectons/Shifts or CAST makes the most sense? or go STH.....as it may be a ski for blower in-bounds days.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    I think rec mounts are from -2cm (Sammy) to -4.5cm (me) Again perfect.

    It appears to ski like a super light Renegade in the vid
    mount point is -6. Shape is nothing like the Ren, though they might ski somewhat similarly in certain types of snow. WW121s are wild. They are a much bigger departure from BC120s than I thought they would be.
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    it will be very interesting to compare them to the new magic js.

    I would go CAST all day long. Or Tectons with the heels shimmed 2mm if you want to save weight.

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    mount point is -6. Shape is nothing like the Ren, though they might ski somewhat similarly in certain types of snow. WW121s are wild. They are a much bigger departure from BC120s than I thought they would be.
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    it will be very interesting to compare them to the new magic js.

    I would go CAST all day long. Or Tectons with the heels shimmed 2mm if you want to save weight.
    Thx good info. Ya these would prolly deserve CAST. I see the rec on that pic is -6cm thx. PS Where do u get those pics?

    Also, new Armada Magic Js? I thought the Magic J model ended in 2022?


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    new Magic J inbounds as a late 22/23 relase to commemorate Tanner's 20yrs with Armada, supposedly.

    FriFlyt - a Norwegian ski mag - makes them. Google search: "ski model name" + "skitest"

    But again, WW121a are wild. Such a cool ski. And the cool thing is that it is a ski made to fit a more dimmunitive rider (like us), and will then prob be released in a longer length to fit more normally sized clydes ( ) later on.

    So prob a bit more soft snow specific than BC120s, but I would expect them to be significantly more potent in variable than BC120s based on shape, flex pattern and weight. Fondling WW121s almost made me buy them at full retail - they made me that excited. Though to be fair, K2's new (wider) Dispatch skis almost did the same, and I do not get very excited when it comes to K2 usually.

    Broken record - wild, such a cool ski, omg. Nearly bought a pair - will wait and see if I can find some next summer


    rewatch Sammy's best edit, engage I want to ski like that mode, buy ww121s = winning

    So to quote the flick, you become what you are by how you spend your 24. So you might as well spend them winning, atop WW121s


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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    This all started when I was looking at some of last years Magic J’s. Then I grabbed some cheap 2022 ARV 106s from a local shop. Weird as I’ve never really wanted Armadas before.
    I felt the same as you when I saw the Whitewalker 121. Immediately started searching for them at decent prices. Snowcountry.eu looks to be the best. Also, I’ve recently sold my BC120s.

    I have 184 cm 4FRNT Renegades and 183 cm Faction CT 5.0s....which I'm keeping, so we're talking some serious pow ski overlap.

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    Personally I’d keep the revolts and forget about the whitewalker. Both skis seem to be in the same niche and the revolt looks way better, IMO. I’d rather ski the armada arg2 than the whitewalker, but that’s a whole different niche. As a renegade aficionado the whitewalker isn’t even remotely on the radar for me, where as the revolt looks interesting and I almost bought a pair to replace my Qst 118 until I got hooked me up with new pair of Qst118.


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    Quote Originally Posted by altacoup View Post
    Personally I’d keep the revolts and forget about the whitewalker. Both skis seem to be in the same niche and the revolt looks way better, IMO. I’d rather ski the armada arg2 than the whitewalker, but that’s a whole different niche.
    yeah, my reasoning would be a bit different, but I agree - I would rather "just" keep the Revolts or possibly add WW121s to them, I would not replace them. Have you skied them yet?

    While they are kinda similar, the R121's shape, layup and weight arguably make it the more versatile ski. The WW121 is a niche of niche skis, very soft snow specific - but probably a whole lot of fun. I think a main idea of the design is to unleash the butter, and it seems very suitable for that task in untracked

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    hm, perhaps the ren is a bit more similar than I thought it to be - even if the one depicted here is the softer flexgate version.

    Then again, my overlap in this part of the quiver is pretty rediculous, so if the idea is to try new skis and learn, and then pass them on - buy WWs x2 and try them all back to back, and keep the skis you like the most. You are pretty good at doing this without leaving a lot of money on the table.

    Quote Originally Posted by altacoup View Post
    As a renegade aficionado the whitewalker isn’t even remotely on the radar for me, where as the revolt looks interesting and I almost bought a pair to replace my Qst 118 until I got hooked me up with new pair of Qst118.
    Out of interest, what is it with the ww121 that make it be less appealing to you? R121s, WW121s and QST118s all seem variations of a kinda similar design, but where the ww121 arguably is the more extreme / niche design.

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Per FriFlyt pics…..the Revolt 121 has deeper rocker (52mm tip, 56mm tail) than the Whitewalker 121 (44mm tip, 39mm tail). Though it’s a 192 R121 vs WW 183 in their pic.

    Also....is it weird the Revolt 121 has deeper rocker in its tail (vs tip)? Anyone ever validate the info in those FriFlyt pics? None of the other skis pictured have longer tail rocker?

    I agree the Revolt 121 is a better all around pow ski for Whistler….so I should “just” mount the Pivots on those. But I have 183 cm Candide 5.0s for my sensible pow ski. It’s also good at everything. Like the Revolt 121 would be. I see overlap with the Revolt 121 and Candide 5.0….both are capable, inbounds pow skis. Whereas the WW121 is more experimental and f’ing crazy? I think the beveled base in the rocker portion on those will make the WW121 so good in pow.

    We ski Whistler mostly, with some Mt Baker and we always ski Whitewater over Xmas (going tomorrow!) and hit other resorts on the pow highway for 8 days in Feb (mostly Red and Fernie). Would be fun to have the WW121 in the truck for deep, blower days at Whitewater and Red.

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    Nothing to add here except to say that if I could have the skillset of any pro skier it'd probably be Sammy. Dude just oozes style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    ...I see overlap...
    If you have the means, then just get the ww121s too and try them all back to back. The cost - depreciation from being drilled / slightly used - won't break the bank and it'll be more than worth it because #science (you get to test them all, and really figure out what you like across most conditions). That is what I decided to do this winter at least.

    My (overlap in this) quiver around 116mm is currently:
    Dynastar PR-OTO 189
    Dynastar M-Free 118 189
    DPS Koala 119 184
    ON3P BGasym 184
    ON3P BGpre-asym 184
    Rossi BO 118 186
    Line Vision 118 183

    I plan to whittle these down to 1-3 pairs.

    I also have BMT 122 186s x2, ON3P C&D 189 and a pair of DPS Lotus 117 on the way.

    So some slight overlap.

    Let the testing commence!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    If you have the means, then just get the ww121s too and try them all back to back. The cost - depreciation from being drilled / slightly used - won't break the bank and it'll be more than worth it because #science (you get to test them all, and really figure out what you like across most conditions). That is what I decided to do this winter at least.

    My (overlap in this) quiver around 116mm is currently:
    Dynastar PR-OTO 189
    Dynastar M-Free 118 189
    DPS Koala 119 184
    ON3P BGasym 184
    ON3P BGpre-asym 184
    Rossi BO 118 186
    Line Vision 118 183

    I plan to whittle these down to 1-3 pairs.

    I also have BMT 122 186s x2, ON3P C&D 189 and a pair of DPS Lotus 117 on the way.

    So some slight overlap.

    Let the testing commence!
    If you cut the LV 118 183 loose, and are in Canada, let me know. Got the 98 and 108 and like them, so might as well go for the whole line up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by skisurfmirth View Post
    If you cut the LV 118 183 loose, and are in Canada, let me know.
    I am in Scandinavia, so across le pond.

    Line are still selling last year's 118s at a steep discount - might be worth checking out. Best 118 graphic too imho.

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    If you have the means, then just get the ww121s too and try them all back to back. The cost - depreciation from being drilled / slightly used - won't break the bank and it'll be more than worth it because #science (you get to test them all, and really figure out what you like across most conditions). That is what I decided to do this winter at least.
    Let the testing commence!
    If I was having this discussion with non-tgr folks they would be like: "why do you have so many skis"....not even worth explaining or responding to.

    Instead here I get "it's for science.... depreciation is minimal....won't break the bank.....worth it cause you can test them all"... excellent points. And it is for science.

    kidkapow - looking at your list above, my >120mm quiver overlap looks
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    184 4FRNT Renegade w/ Duke PT16
    183 Faction Candide 5.0 w/ STH
    183 Season Forma w/Pivot
    183 Armada Whitewalker 121 w/ ?

    The rest of my quiver is 112mm and below.

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    You guys slacking in your pow ski over lap.
    Renegade 186 & 196 (multiple backups of greatest ski ever)
    Qst 118
    Ehp 186 and 193
    Praxis 195 powder boards and 188 protest
    oN3p cease and desist
    Blizzard bodacious 186
    Head A star
    Dynafit Hokkaido 189
    Volant spatula

    Hojis, Salomon blank and rc112 aren’t overlap in this category.

    Personally I just don’t like the look of the whitewalker. But you should buy it and report back. I really want to buy the faction La machine but the lady says I have too many skis.


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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    I am in Scandinavia, so across le pond.

    Line are still selling last year's 118s at a steep discount - might be worth checking out. Best 118 graphic too imho.
    Yeah it’s pretty tempting, but I’ve only found the 189s so far. I think I can get away with the 183s and save a bit of weight. Got the BC120 right now for deep pow touring but really like the V108 so am keen to try the 118.

    No one else has the OG sally rocker1 for catastrophic deep pow? That ski is fucking awesome when it’s too deep. 47m turn radius for the win!

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Skied Whitewater today….in pretty good pow.

    Renegades ruled the day.

    Not sure I even need Whitewalkers when Renegades exist…love that “Ren”feel in pow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kid-kapow View Post
    yeah, my reasoning would be a bit different, but I agree - I would rather "just" keep the Revolts or possibly add WW121s to them, I would not replace them. Have you skied them yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    Per FriFlyt pics….
    I don't think private message are working on my account, but I was wondering if either of you have a subscription to FriFlyt? There are some articles I would be interested in reading.

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    Bump to see if anyone has had a chance to get on these yet...

    Word on the street is that, like the OG Whitewalkers which were designed to be skied at 185, these were designed to be skied at 183.

    Seems pretty short for us larger doods.

    And kc_7777 - tried to PM you back, and PMs not working for me...

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    NotSoBright - I don’t have a FriFlyt subscription.

    This thread got me looking at Armadas…. currently debating getting a 180 cm Magic J (126mm) and heavy vs 183cm. Armada Whitewalker 121 (121mm and light)…I’m not a big dude (5’7”, <170lbs).

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    NotSoBright - I don’t have a FriFlyt subscription.

    This thread got me looking at Armadas…. currently debating getting a 180 cm Magic J (127mm) vs 183cm. Armada Whitewalker 121 (121mm)…I’m not a big dude (5’7”, 170lbs).

    Leaning Magic J now. 1/2 the price and better Whistler ski.

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    I skied the Magic Js (190) two years ago at Retallack - I really liked them. Felt stiffer throughout than the JJ or even the Whitewalker, yet they still pivoted well. For lack of better word, they felt like they "stomped" better than both. Not the lightest ski, though. Wonder if they ski similarly to the CT 5.0s that you seem to get along with really well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NotSoBright View Post
    I skied the Magic Js (190) two years ago at Retallack - I really liked them. Felt stiffer throughout than the JJ or even the Whitewalker, yet they still pivoted well. For lack of better word, they felt like they "stomped" better than both. Not the lightest ski, though. Wonder if they ski similarly to the CT 5.0s that you seem to get along with really well?
    I skied Whitewater this week on 184 Renegades and 183 Faction CT 5’s. In new 6” to 18” of fresh with some shitty rain crust underneath at times.

    Rens love open, fast terrain. The CT 5 Factions were better in the steep trees and deep variable snow in Glory Bowl. Seemed more pivoty, and better able to handle really steep conditions, where quick turns mandatory. With my new boots (shorter bsl) I think I’m now too far forward on the Rens (-4.8cm)….fack.

    Still interested in the Whitewalker 121….but at current prices will likely wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kc_7777 View Post
    I skied Whitewater this week on 184 Renegades and 183 Faction CT 5’s. In new 6” to 18” of fresh with some rain crust underneath at times.

    Rens love open and fast terrain and the Factions were better in the steep trees and deep variable snow in Glory Bowl. Seemed more pivoty, and better able to handle really steep conditions, where quick turns mandatory. With my new boots (shorter bsl) I think I’m now too far forward now on the Rens (-4.8cm)….sigh.

    Still interested in the Whitewalker 121….but at current prices will likely wait.

    I would like a heavy, wide ski ~180cm, so Magic J’s could be in the quiver soon (got some unmounted, 184cm Revolt 121s I would sell).

    An Armada Magic J 180cm, mounted at -5cm rec, seem like a really good ski for variable/deep pow. If I get ‘em I will start Magic J thread.

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    How much did you change your boots? Thought you just went from Kryptons 287? To head kores, 283? That would only put you 2.5mm further forward.

    I think the difference in forward lean might be more of an issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    How much did you change your boots? Thought you just went from Kryptons 287? To head kores, 283? That would only put you 2.5mm further forward.

    I think the difference in forward lean might be more of an issue.
    Actually went from 287mm bsl (24.5 Dalbello Krypton 130 flex) to a 273mm bsl (23.5 Head Kore 130 flex). Turns out my left foot is frickin' short (~23.5) and my right foot is over a full size bigger (24.5). I’ve skied for my whole adult life in 24.5….you don't wanna know how hard it is to find a 23.5 in a 130 flex.

    This year got the full custom liner and shell fit….made the right foot's 23.5 shell longer inside to fit the 24.5 foot. After skiing 10 days on them....ya I believe in good boot fitting and shell modifications and good custom liners. Taking the right boot off is a instep scraping event....drew blood the first time but once in the boot I am locked.

    So the difference is more like 14mm? So if I was at -5.5cm on my Rens and Ravens in a 287mm then I’m at -4.8cm in the 273mm (23.5)? And I’m thinking the effect/feel is even more, if my small foot was at the back of a too long shell (eg foot was not centered in the boot'shell)?

    Both my Rens and Ravens felt “off”….whereas last year they felt so good. I think I was proll skiing them at -6cm with the too big shell.

    I’m thinking a remount to the line with the new bsl….eg back -1.2cm.

    Re forward lean. You’re right. Skied the Heads with a thick rear spoiler, medium rear spoiler and no rear spoiler. No spoiler felt the best.



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    Oh shit, yeah that’s probably enough to feel a difference then. Good fitting boots are definitely worth any tradeoff in skis however.

    Let us know how the remount goes!

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    2022/23 Armada Whitewalker 121

    Quote Originally Posted by mr_pretzel View Post
    Oh shit, yeah that’s probably enough to feel a difference then. Good fitting boots are definitely worth any tradeoff in skis however.

    Let us know how the remount goes!
    Currently mounted with Duke PT’s. Planning to remount the toe back 1.2cm and not re-drill the heel as the Duke heel track is pretty long.

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