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09-18-2012, 10:33 AM #1
REVIEW(s): 12/13 Salomon Guardian 16 / Atomic Tracker 16 AT Binding
Since we currently have several hundred threads on these bindings, but most have necessarily been conjectural / speculative, I figured it might be good to start a new thread that is specific to real world use, and we encourage everybody to post up as they get time on these.
We'll get the ball rolling. We have a total of 10 days of skiing down in Las Leñas on these things. So this review is preliminary and we will continue to update, but hopefully has some useful information.
09-18-2012, 10:54 AM #2
this space reserved for irrelevant banter.In search of the elusive artic powder weasel ...
09-18-2012, 10:59 AM #3
09-18-2012, 11:08 AM #4
Speaking of irrelevant banter, when is the MVP review going to be up? I'm excited to hear more about how it skis, seeing as I have a pair on order.
09-18-2012, 11:20 AM #5
(And the MVP review will be up by Monday at the latest, possibly sooner.)
09-18-2012, 11:45 AM #6
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09-18-2012, 12:52 PM #8
Excellent, I'm excited to hear what you thought of them. I've purchased skis without demoing them, but this is the first time I've purchased a new design with minimal feedback available since I bought some first model year Pocket Rockets way back when.
09-18-2012, 01:01 PM #9
what no weight, you guys are getting soft. thanks for the prelimI need to go to Utah.
Yeah, Utah. It's wedged in between Wyoming and Nevada. You've seen pictures of it, right?
20 days skiing in 2009/2010 (15 Powder days)
18 days skiing in 2010/2011 (15 Powder days)
16 days skiing in 2011/2012 (2 cat days and 11 Powder day's)
18 days skiing in 2012/2013 (12 powder day's)
09-18-2012, 01:11 PM #10
So the first person to get their new pair and weigh them on a legit scale - with screws - shall win the Non-IB award for this thread.
09-18-2012, 05:15 PM #11
09-19-2012, 10:15 PM #12
Good mini-review thanks. I'm 75% mounting these on my newest quiver addition, but 25% still going with Dukes which I know and trust. Assuming I go with these, i'll post up thoughts after I actually ski em.
09-20-2012, 10:34 AM #13
The comments om heel riser flipping down midhill and heel locking sounds not so great in my ears. Plus the new wide duke mount pattern leaves space for dynafit inserts... I will wait at least one season before jumping the guardian train.
09-20-2012, 11:11 AM #14
09-20-2012, 11:17 AM #15
Looks like Snow Inn has these for $285 (no clue how reputable they are), but everywhere else is $450 and up. Just curious how all you fanboys justify the $200 test dummy surcharge over something fairly comparable with 5+ years of field use?
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09-20-2012, 12:01 PM #20
Good review. Also nice to hear your thoughts in the Automatic and R2 115 since I was debating between those two skis.
Re: the heel riser. Since it happened on one pair and not the other, could the binding have been mounted with the heel just slightly further back than it should be? I've seen this on a lot of Fritschis. The track comes down wrong and pushed the riser back and down.
09-20-2012, 12:39 PM #21
the wire bail is mounted to the heel track, but does not index to anything in the binding tray. if the heel is off a mm or two, it won't matter. the binding likely won't click into the heel though...
the salomon jig holes do not move relative to one-another, so you would really have to be a space case to botch it.
my guess (and guess only, since i have yet to ski them) is that the wire combing bail was a little under sprung and that caused it to drop too easy under high pressure. all that would need to happen (again as a guess only) is that the bail is pulled from the binding, bent a little, and popped back in.
PappaG - has anyone (other than cody and mike d) claimed the guardian is anything more than potentially an incremental improvement over the duke? really all it is IMO is a different set of choices made under "compromises" restrictions, which for a consumer is great... they can choose what compromises better suit their needs.
1. lower stand or moving AFD + compatibility with AT soles?
2. ultra heavy/very stiff or pretty heavy and pretty stiff?
curious about the perceived "rise and fall" of plums though... they are still more durable, lighter, and have better retention than a dynafit radical 12? has anyone claimed them to be other than that?
Last edited by marshalolson; 09-20-2012 at 12:51 PM.
09-20-2012, 12:57 PM #22
I believe there's a polling thread about what AT do you prefer. Granted it's a non-scientific approach to which AT binding is best, but c'mon... just look at the responses to something a few have even tried. How can the hype honestly be justified with so little having hands-on experience? Just take a step back and look around. I can't be the only one that finds this shit amusing.
Personally, I've only 1 problem with Dukes/Barons in the 5 years I've had them with 1 of several pairs finally breaking after 200+ days. If the Guardian weighed half as much while providing the downhill performance of a 916, then you have me sold. But try to sell me something for $200 more that FOR ME is effectively identical, then I'll consider my cheaper, tried & tested options.
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09-20-2012, 01:20 PM #24
I could not find a single pair of plum guides listed in gear swap for less than $450 in the last 6 months...?
But either way, I totally agree with you about guardian, but that has more to do with the compromises that binding has made being totally un-appealing to me.
09-20-2012, 01:33 PM #25