Thread: RYAN LIES: GM PLANT CLOSED UNDER BUSH!!

What a fucking liar.

Ryan blames Obama for the closing of the GM plant in Ryan 's hometown of Janesville WI. The plant closed before Obama became President. What a lying sack of shit

Meh...the lies are for the dumbfux that where silly hats and think Barry's a muslim. It works, why change now. Walker claims it went thru a few rounds of layoffs before it closed.

I am more interested in how his iPod catalog could end with Zeppelin if it starts with a "Led."

Originally Posted by commonlaw

I am more interested in how his iPod catalog could end with Zeppelin if it starts with a "Led."

all of the napster/torrent files?

Technically he didn't lie . If you listen to what he said, its reasonable to jump to the conclusion that it was obama's fault, but he doesn't say that.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

all of the napster/torrent files?

RIAA better get to the bottom of this.

Originally Posted by commonlaw

RIAA better get to the bottom of this.

the last time congress was caught sharing files (to the office IPs) they were "spoofed"

scum sucking shitbags

Dummy...
He said Obama went to that plant and said it would be open for another 100 years if he were elected. It's not open. Sounds like Obama lied.
You are dumb. Dummy

Well, technically, it did close under the Obama administration. Wagoner put it on the chopping block in early 2008 and was idled in Dec 2008 (before Obama took office) and the last few employees were finally sent packing in 2010.

The blame should be laid at the feet of GM management, not Bush or Obama, but that won't stop a scumbag politician like Paul Ryan from trying to spin it to score political points.

The real question is, what if anything did Ryan do to try to keep it open? After all, a lot of his constituents worked there.

Originally Posted by 13

...The real question is, what if anything did Ryan do to try to keep it open? After all, a lot of his constituents worked there.

he bought some of the used P90x equipment when the plant closed, so there is that.

he should give it to his wife. or was that the family values nanny on stage?

Originally Posted by 13

Well, technically, it did close under the Obama administration. Wagoner put it on the chopping block in early 2008 and was idled in Dec 2008 (before Obama took office) and the last few employees were finally sent packing in 2010.

The blame should be laid at the feet of GM management, not Bush or Obama, but that won't stop a scumbag politician like Paul Ryan from trying to spin it to score political points.

The real question is, what if anything did Ryan do to try to keep it open? After all, a lot of his constituents worked there.

That is a great question. Do you think Eva longoria will ask it?

Originally Posted by 13

Well, technically, it did close under the Obama administration. Wagoner put it on the chopping block in early 2008 and was idled in Dec 2008 (before Obama took office) and the last few employees were finally sent packing in 2010.

The blame should be laid at the feet of GM management, not Bush or Obama, but that won't stop a scumbag politician like Paul Ryan from trying to spin it to score political points.

The real question is, what if anything did Ryan do to try to keep it open? After all, a lot of his constituents worked there.

Thanks, 13, for clearing that up.

You can DEPEND upon the Republitards for using deceit during an election year. They have the greatest spin engine on earth. Not that the Dems don't spin things to their favor as well, but the Repubs are far, far better at stretching facts and even drafting complete fiction than the Dems.

Just look at DbT and ILC on this board for example.

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This headline pretty much sums it up. The new strategy is: instead of pretending to be truthful, go full bore ahead with the deception with no apologies. In some bizarre way, it may work. The twisted logic goes like this: Both side accuse the other side of lying. Both sides claim their side is truthful, even if it is false. If both sides are operating on falsehoods, then truth doesn't really matter and each side will get behind their respective side's deception. So, we are now operating in in a world where fiction is better than truth. In the big picture, it's not surprising that we have reached a point in history where the huge shifts in the US and world economy have us keeping our head in the sand and clinging to the same shit that has failed us in the past and will simply dig us deeper into the shitter going forward. The GOP is on the cusp of a fait accompli if they can take back control of congress and the WH, gutting whatever remains of social programs, going full bore with the war machine and sweeping the rest of the middle class under the rug and enriching the ones that funded their efforts.

Yeah, apparently the die was cast well before Obama took office, but in defense of Ryan it is true that the plant is not open today. I think it's pretty clear the U.S. auto industry is doing better today then when Obama took office, but obviously the GOP isn't going to give him any credit for that.

Given that Romney wanted GM to fail, I surprised Ryan even brought the subject up.

Originally Posted by NICETRY

Given that Romney wanted GM to fail, I surprised Ryan even brought the subject up.

I suspect that Ryan has just not had time to tell Romney that going forward he should no longer have ever wanted GM to have failed.

It was the most deceptive political speech of a major party national ticket in memory. One deception after another. Really disgusting. Even more disgusting is that people stupid enough to not see the deception will be voting.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

It was the most deceptive political speech of a major party national ticket in memory. One deception after another. Really disgusting. Even more disgusting is that people stupid enough to not see the deception will be voting.

Agreed, but it was deceptive due to the innaccuracies about how the problems we face came about. Fact remains, they exist, and a DNC is going to either have to likewise gloss over its own party's inefficiencies or it will have to blame a president that hasn't held office in 4 years. You are going to see the exact same thing in Charlotte, i.e. impassioned, inaccurate speech-writing.

Blame the president? Why not blame Congress? Ryan voted for TARP and the stimulus, right?

No, we won't see the same thing at the DNC convention. I'm not saying it'll be an enlightened discussion, and it'll be mostly empty rhetoric, but it won't be a redux of the 100% negative "throw the uppity black boy out of the bar" and 0% specific ideas RNC palaver. I expect the DNC to counterpunch with at least some concrete ideas. Watch and see.

I am curious if Romney is furiously rewriting tonight's speech to actually say something. Ryan's rants were hollow and nonspecific and the talking heads railed him on it. If Mittens doesn't step up it is going to be a wasted opportunity.

Same goes for the Dems next week. They need to quit with the RaRa speeches and lay out some plans of how things are going to change. As pointed out in another thread, Obummer would have a lot more freedom to actually do things in a second term. Mittens won't get shit done in term one because them dems will play tit for tat.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Blame the president? Why not blame Congress? Ryan voted for TARP and the stimulus, right?

No, we won't see the same thing at the DNC convention. I'm not saying it'll be some enlightened discussion, but it won't be a redux of the 100% negative and 0% specific ideas RNC palaver. I expect the DNC to counterpunch with at least some concrete ideas. Watch and see.

Congress, President, it doesnt matter. Just like the RNC, BLAME will be the focal point, not ideas. The DNC can't take an ideas route because they are the incumbent (regardless of congress implications). If they were going to go with ideas they would have to either poetically say that their ideas didn't work because of evil Republicans, why it would be different this time, or that they have some new ideas that should be a hell of a lot better than the last ones that were sold 4 years ago. We already know what we are going to see Steve, we don't need to wait. The dems don't have some hidden playbook that's going to blow our socks off. It will be regurgitated 2008 with some added evil Republican stymie actions over the last 4 years tossed in with the RNC angle that the other party's crazy policies will lead to anarchy.

Disagree. DNC will counterpunch with some specific ideas. Sounds like you've already made up your mind, and won't be watching. Parts of Condi Rice's speech was positive, but that was outside the GOP playbook, which is about booting out the black boy, not about anything positive.

Obama had ideas -- we can disagree about whether they were good or bad ideas -- but he was completely blocked by Congress to an extent historically unprecedented. The DNC needs to point that out, of course. But, Obama managed to get at least one popular measure through by taking an end run around the obstructionist Congress: the de facto Dream Act through an executive order, which was a slick political play and could be the factor that tips this election, unless the GOP is successful in depressing the brown-skin vote via voter ID laws.

If the dems are smart, they will champion the idea of getting rid of the current filibuster rule. Will they blame Congress? Of course. But that's because that's where the blame lies.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Disagree. DNC will counterpunch with some specific ideas. Sounds like you've already made up your mind, and won't be watching.

Oh, I'll watch. I just expect the same circus as the RNC.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Parts of Condi Rice's speech was positive, but that was outside the GOP playbook, which is about booting out the black boy, not about anything positive.

I thought having a Hispanic lady speak, GOD FORBID, Spanish at the RNC was actually a positive step forward too.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Obama had ideas -- we can disagree about whether they were good or bad ideas -- but he was completely blocked by Congress to an extent historically unprecedented. The DNC needs to point that out, of course. But, Obama managed to get at least one popular measure through by taking an end run around the obstructionist Congress: the de facto Dream Act through an executive order, which was a slick political play and could be the factor that tips this election, unless the GOP is successful in depressing the brown-skin vote via voter ID laws.

So we agree. DNC will have to place blame in order to explain the last 4 years. Remember, Obama ran on "Change" already. The assumption being that it would take place despite the shit he was walking into. Now he is facing a bunch of shit again and has to repackage 2008, i.e. why it will be different this time and why ideas aren't enough. One popular measure is going to be hard to re-purpose into any sort of broad success.

I frankly don't think we disagree about what is going to happen at the DNC. I'm not making any judgments regarding Obama's ideas. I am only talking strategy, and the DNC will be against a wall. Its just like being a plaintiff. Obama has the burden of proof. He has to prove up all his elements. The RNC gets to sit back and just poke holes.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

If the dems are smart, they will champion the idea of getting rid of the current filibuster rule. Will they blame Congress? Of course. But that's because that's where the blame lies.

Again, regardless of where the blame lies, he's gotta take that route and we agree he and every other speaker will do so.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Parts of Condi Rice's

Not the Condi Rice who was a central part of the worst foreign policy admin in decades?

Wow.

She's got some balls.