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07-22-2012, 06:58 PM #1
Please explain... damn brainy college kids!
Sure .. whaaatt-evvverrrrrrr....Ski to live! Live to ski!
07-22-2012, 07:33 PM #2
"Okay, Fast and Furious didn't play out quite so well, guys..
Lets try the lone-gunman-type thing again, next op? Worked well in the past. Oswald, Austin, Bobbie/RFK, King (James Earl Ray), Chapman, Hinkley, Purdy, San Ysidro/Huberty, McVeigh, Tucson, and more."
"Yeah, the public will be so shocked after Aurora, their brains won't even think straight for weeks."
"And the public will think this geeky kid just simply snapped! Pressure from school! Unreal ... what the sheeple will fuckin eat up! The media will hype this shit no end and on and on with all those sad weeping talk shows and that hyper-drama. And never a freakin clue!"
"Alex Jones will go flippin crazy on air - his paranoia will turn em all off to all those predictable lunatic conspiracy-rants of his.."Ski to live! Live to ski!
07-22-2012, 07:45 PM #3
I'll send you a large roll of Reynolds Wrap if you think it will help.
07-22-2012, 07:50 PM #4
We have to do this for the good of the children. You don't hate children, do you Mandrake?
07-22-2012, 07:56 PM #5
07-23-2012, 04:45 AM #6
07-23-2012, 10:05 AM #7just a little more ground
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His actions clearly show a strange detachment from reality, indicating he was not in his right mind. That can only typically be accomplished through drugs, hypnosis or trauma (and sometimes all three).
And by the way, the most common means for people to not be in their right mind is called schizophrenia, which the linked crazy above completely ignores as a possibility, even though that is by far the most likely explanation (I guess conspiracy nuts operate on the "Reverse Ockham's Razor", the simplest explanation is also the least probable). Descriptions of Holmes from people who knew him in school match up completely with schizophrenia.
All the other "clues" on that page pointing to powers that be manipulation fail the most obvious common sense test.
Like "How does a graduate student afford $20K in weapons and armor".
Maybe, just maybe, instead of a secret and untraceable payment from the FBI, Holmes put all those expenses on his credit card.
Why does he care about the unpaid balance on his credit card, when he will spend the rest of his life in jail or a mental hospital.
Good luck to the collection agency. But as usual with conspiracy nuts, the obvious common sense explanation that any teenager could figure out is ignored in favor of the all-purpose "Black Ops" theory...
Schizophrenia (/ˌskɪtsɵˈfrɛniə/ or /ˌskɪtsɵˈfriːniə/) is a mental disorder characterized by a breakdown of thought processes and by poor emotional responsiveness. It most commonly manifests itself as auditory hallucinations, paranoid or bizarre delusions, or disorganized speech and thinking, and it is accompanied by significant social or occupational dysfunction. The onset of symptoms typically occurs in young adulthood, with a global lifetime prevalence of about 0.3–0.7%. Diagnosis is based on observed behavior and the patient's reported experiences.
Genetics, early environment, neurobiology, and psychological and social processes appear to be important contributory factors; some recreational and prescription drugs appear to cause or worsen symptoms. Current research is focused on the role of neurobiology, although no single isolated organic cause has been found.
07-23-2012, 12:02 PM #8Registered User
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We Won't Get Fooled Again (Part 1)
By Dave Hodges
I went to high school in Aurora, Colorado, about two miles from the scene of the Dark Night movie massacre. My late parents' home was a mile away from the scene of the crime. My immediate family and I have attended several movies at the now infamous Aurora Mall theaters. Therefore, this recent tragedy is somewhat personal for me.
A part of me wants to ignore this tragedy and go on with my life because this is so very painful to look at this event. Several families and untold numbers of friends have lost a loved one in a seemingly senseless tragedy. Someone's husband and father is not coming home tonight and someone's child won't be there to open presents next Christmas. It's extremely hard for me to write these words without being overcome by emotion.
I have struggled on whether or not I should share my personal and professional observations about the facts related to this tragedy in the media because I strongly believe that the grieving loved ones, should be prayed for, comforted and then left in peace. The last thing I want to do, or to be accused of doing, is to engage in idle speculation at the expense of the victims, their families and their friends. However, based upon my experience and training as a mental health counselor, I also know that the mental health scenario being universally painted by the mainstream media is implausible from a psychopathological frame of reference. Further, the described background of the perpetrator, James Holmes, and his insanely violent act were grossly inconsistent with regard to means, motive, personal background, professional experience and current lifestyle and living conditions necessary to have carried out this heinous act to the demonstrable degree of skill witnessed in this event.
Conspiracy theories are often the default position for people in mourning who are seeking meaningful answers on why a particular tragedy took place. It is very important not to confuse emotionality with logic and facts in cases such as the recent movie massacre tragedy. However, when the released facts related to the crime and the perpetrator don't add up, serious questions must be asked and truthful answers must be demanded!
As I was weighed my options on whether or not to write this piece, I'm all too aware that when the profound sense of loss and grieving begins to dissipate, the victims' loved ones will want truthful answers on why this tragedy took place. The lens of history clearly points to this fact as the Pat Tillman family still wants answers, thousands of 9/11 victims loved ones still want answers, and families and friends of the Oklahoma City Bombing victims still want answers and people profoundly impacted by the Columbine High School tragedy are still asking questions about why their loved ones had to die. Families and friends of the Dark Knight movie massacre victims deserve the truth and I do not believe, from the early media returns, that the real truth is going to be forthcoming. In that spirit, I add my voice to the chorus of voices in saying that the public explanations, related to this unspeakable tragedy, do not add up.
PhD candidate, James Holmes, 24, residing in Aurora, Colorado, acting with the precision and sophistication of a well-trained, killing-machine commando killed 12 people and wounded 59 as he opened fire at a Batman movie premiere The Dark Night Rising. Yet, as many mainstream media outlets, including the BBC, are reporting that James Holmes had no criminal arrest record and had absolutely no military training in his known background, yet, Holmes had every detail of "what the police call tactical equipment. He wore a ballistic helmet, a flak jacket and gas mask, but also the gloves and breeches you would expect from a Swat team.”
Many More Questions Than Believable Answers
Where would an incredibly busy PhD student find the time to learn how to booby trap his apartment?
Why would a mass murderer randomly shoot dozens of innocent people and then mysteriously warn authorities that he had meticulously booby trapped his apartment if his intention was to commit mass murder?
Where did a 24 year-old, PhD student who has spent his entire young adulthood in academia, with absolutely no military training, develop sophisticated commando tactics and applicable skills with very elaborate and very expensive military grade equipment?
Why was the mainstream media so quick to learn and subsequently tell the viewing public the name of the perpetrator and then subsequently blame the Second Amendment for the event before any of the facts could possibly have been known? How was it that the swarms of FBI agents appeared almost immediately at the scene of the crime as well as the mass murder's apartment?
What do you think any knowledgeable construction worker would say about how those theatre grade, fire-rated security doors, equipped with fire inspected alarms, which would have sounded if the door was opened in the rear of the theatre?
Why is the media so intent on painting Holmes as a mentally ill mass murder when a professional psychological examination has not even been performed and the results released to the media and the public?
What Is Known
One of the most unbelievable explanations that I heard regarding this crime is the fact that this college student with no military training was able to booby trap his apartment, to such a degree of sophistication, that the ATF and FBI took several hours to gain entrance to his apartment. It has been suggested that this bright graduate student learned how to construct booby traps from the Internet. As implausible as it seems to me, I have to wonder if the Internet also taught this young terrorist how to shoot straight and master a multitude of weapons as well as the learning and the execution of advanced commando skills? Where did Holmes practice to learn the skills and more importantly, how did this PhD student find the time to train to such a level of sophistication that the Israeli commandos at the raid on Entebbe would be envious at the skill and precision displayed by Holmes in this gruesome attack? How did Holmes gain entrance into the highly secured rear doors of the movie theater, armed with alarms, without inside help? The short answer to all of these questions is, that he couldn't and he didn't.
I find it interesting that a starving graduate student, living in a modest apartment, could afford very expensive weaponry, a bulletproof vest, a modern gas mask, groin and neck protectors, complicated bombs and tear gas. This was a well-funded operation and there doesn't seem to be any plausible explanation as to how this very expensive operation was funded and the goods ended up in the hands of such a person of meager means.
The media has hung its hat on two analyses and subsequent explanations for Holmes' actions: (1) Holmes is a mentally ill mass murder who was suffering from paranoid schizophrenic delusions; and, (2) this horrible tragedy could have been averted if only effective gun control measures were in place. First of all, there doesn't seem to be any history of serious mental illness with regard to what the media is stating that Holmes most likely suffers from. Secondly, the paranoid schizophrenic argument loses steam because the killer abruptly stopped killing when he got outside the theatre where the perpetrator calmly sat down and peacefully surrendered to authorities as if to say "MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!" Are these actions consistent with a crazed mass murderer? I do not believe so. If the murderers intent was to kill as many innocent people as possible, then it appears likely that this rage would have continued outside the movie theater. Adrenaline alone, would've accounted for several more minutes added on to the killing rampage unless, of course, someone literally or metaphorically flipped a switch, MK Ultra style, which caused Holmes to shut down and passively surrender. Thirdly, the delusional beliefs and subsequent behavior of paranoid schizophrenics does not follow a calm, rational, predictable and methodical pattern of behavior which is exactly what we see in Holmes' homicidal actions on that fateful night. The manifested behaviors of paranoid schizophrenics is normally preceded by disorganized and delusional thinking which causes the person to appear and act in an illogical and irrational manner. This is the opposite behavioral pattern of what we saw from James Holmes who carried out his act with the precision of a well-trained professional killer.
Amazingly, the FBI was warned two months ago about terrorism coming to American movie theaters. Yet, they seem to have mysteriously ignored these warnings. Why wasn't this warning acted upon? Many people have been puzzled by the rapidity of the FBI's presence on the crime scene which even preceded many of the Aurora police officers arriving on the scene, despite the fact that the Aurora police maintain a substation in the mall less than 100 yards away from the crime scene. A reasonable person might be inclined to ask, what did the FBI know that the Aurora police did not?
If this was a plot, why would anyone do such a thing? Ironically, on July 27, 2012, President Obama and Hillary Clinton are going to sign the UN gun control treaty. Obama only needs a few more senators to sign the treaty to make it the law of the land. Of course, the public is supposed to believe that this tragedy and the immediate media calls for more stringent gun control, and the coincidence with the UN gun control treaty signing date, following this tragedy, is merely one big coincidence!
"The mind, once expanded to the dimensions of larger ideas, never returns to its original size."
07-23-2012, 12:27 PM #9just a little more ground
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Have these conspiracy nuts never heard of a credit card?
Are they unaware that a very significant fraction of the US population carries very large credit card balances, and that credit card companies are very happy to extend big lines of credit to graduate students, because they will likely run up very profitable balances, carry them for a long time, and then pay them off once they get professional employment??
I guess the information about credit card availability in 2012 in the USA cannot penetrate the tin-foil hats.
Simple fact, about 0.5% of humans are schizophrenic, just a genetic reality we have to deal with.
And anyone who has known a schizophrenic knows that they have a bewildering mix of normal cognition and disengagement from reality. The list of paranoid schizophrenics who have successfully committed complex crimes is very long, so there is nothing unusual about Holmes. For example, in Norway recently, another paranoid schizophrenic did exactly what your link claims is not possible, planned and pulled off a very complex mass murder. Did the FBI and a MK-Ultra switch control that schizoprhenic too????http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Schizophrenia
Anders Breivik, who killed 77 people and wounded 151 during a rampage in July that led to calls for stricter controls on videogames, has been diagnosed as a delusional paranoid schizophrenic by Norwegian psychiatrists.
Very sad that James Holmes did not seek professional help soon enough.
07-23-2012, 12:29 PM #10surviving in the city, powered by wellbutrin
07-23-2012, 04:18 PM #11
Very interesting article. The media has so far made this guy seem like an invincible SEAL-level operator. Like he picked the lock to the back door and wore full body armor. Given that the media idiots rutinely classify anything including a 10 gauge goose gun as an AK-47 MACHINE GUN!!!, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this loser was decked out in full quad-rail commando gear - replica ballistic helmet that wouldn't protect from a pellet rifle and some cheap airsoft plate carrier sans plates.
07-23-2012, 04:27 PM #12
It is sort of obvious this guy didn't know his ass from a hot rock on a lot of things or got all his training from playing Call of Duty.
100 round high capacity mags have a terrible habit of jamming and he was too inept to clear the jam.
Thank Dog he didn't use 4- 30 round mags taped back to back or go to the range and practice.
He may have been brilliant when it comes to some things but a complete tard concerning others.
07-24-2012, 07:47 AM #13