Thread: RIght Wing Voter Suppression Drive

PA passed a Voter ID law in March and it is getting challenged in court, trial is set for the end of the month.

http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldoc...ridclients.htm

Personal accounts of some of the named plaintiffs to the suit are included. That's some seriously unamerican shit the right is trying to get away with. No shame whatsoever.

Governor Tom Corbett, the previous AG prosecuted zero voter fraud cases during his stint as AG, that's how alarmingly widespread it is.

Tell 'em to call Barry , rumor is he knows how to solve the birth certificate issues .

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

PA passed a Voter ID law in March and it is getting challenged in court, trial is set for the end of the month.

http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldoc...ridclients.htm

Personal accounts of some of the named plaintiffs to the suit are included. That's some seriously unamerican shit the right is trying to get away with. No shame whatsoever.

Governor Tom Corbett, the previous AG prosecuted zero voter fraud cases during his stint as AG, that's how alarmingly widespread it is.

That one guys story is super ironic. Enough ID to be drafted and sent to Vietnam. Not enough ID to vote. How messed up is that.

My grandma cant get her birth certificate either. I posted that story in a thread a while back. Born on a farm, not recorded in the courthouse. Never drove because "proper women do not drive cars " so never had a drivers licence. And no SSN because women of her generation did not work. So she has no ID, and can 't get any.

Note for racist Tea Braggers : she is white and votes Republican.

While there is some validity to both sides of the voter fraud argument, the real elephant in the room is election fraud via electonic voting machines.

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Originally Posted by masterofgreenbeans

the real elephant in the room is election fraud via electonic voting machines.

Agree 100 percent with this.

Originally Posted by Harry

That one guys story is super ironic. Enough ID to be drafted and sent to Vietnam. Not enough ID to vote. How messed up is that.

My grandma cant get her birth certificate either. I posted that story in a thread a while back. Born on a farm, not recorded in the courthouse. Never drove because "proper women do not drive cars " so never had a drivers licence. And no SSN because women of her generation did not work. So she has no ID, and can 't get any.

Note for racist Tea Braggers : she is white and votes Republican.

Did your Garnadfather and now your family keep her as a slave? Does she have a bank account and control of her own money?
No SSN so I am guessing No Medicare / No SS / Never paid federal taxes / No anything? Does she even have title to her property?

The life long criminal suppresion of Your Grandmothers identity is not an excuse to alow other to missrepresent themself in a election

If you are not participating in society enough that you have identification, you should not be making decisions about government (Voting)

of course there is no such thing as voter fraud...

Voter fraud is miniscule in effect compared to election fraud. Voter fraud is being politically used to enact all the recent ID laws and purging of voter records which will have a significant affect on results if continued.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...aws-charts-map


However, what is not being addressed is electronic voting machines, the companies that own them and the proof of rigged elections using them as the tool. Look search it out yourself there is overwhelming evidence but like most real problems we have we are being steered in the wrong direction or just choose to keep our heads in the sand.

http://truedemocracyparty.net/voting-machines/

Web based voting is just as bad.
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201...e-voting.shtml

If you want to keep up with some watchdog type group dedicated to these issues, here ya go

https://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/blackboxvoting/

It's a huge issue that is not even on the radar for whatever political reason. Both of our awesome parties are involved. Like any real issues, you will see more time given to the weather, Jersey shore and the Kardashians on MSM then this, even in a presedential election year.

Originally Posted by masterofgreenbeans

It's a huge issue that is not even on the radar for whatever political reason. Both of our awesome parties are involved. Like any real issues, you will see more time given to the weather, Jersey shore and the Kardashians on MSM then this, even in a presedential election year.

if voting machines are fraudulently rigged in favor of republicans (since companies like diebold are owned by republicans) and that fraud is proven then why haven't the democrats insisted that they be removed? why, as you say, are both of our awesome parties involved? makes no sense. i'm not denying that there are problems with voting machines but the election rigging claim seems fishy when they are still in common use.

also, what about whistleblowers? i see there is one guy who worked at a law firm representing diebold who exposed that they were using uncertified software but there must be dozens if not a hundred people within diebold that would have to be "in the know" about such software tampering. there is certainly a review process for their software, regression testing, etc which would bring any discrepancies to light. it seems unlikely that such nefarious tampering could get by so many people. not all of those people could be republicans, could they?

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

PA passed a Voter ID law in March and it is getting challenged in court, trial is set for the end of the month.

http://www.aclupa.org/legal/legaldoc...ridclients.htm

Personal accounts of some of the named plaintiffs to the suit are included. That's some seriously unamerican shit the right is trying to get away with. No shame whatsoever.

Governor Tom Corbett, the previous AG prosecuted zero voter fraud cases during his stint as AG, that's how alarmingly widespread it is.

The only evidence in that link is anecdotal and sensationalist, and does nothing to suggest this law was passed for anything other than preventing voter fraud. Yes, it is unfortunate that there is some collateral damage of people who can't vote due to not having necessary documentation, but thats bureaucracy, not a conspiracy.

Convince me I'm wrong. Please, I am open minded and curious, I'm just not seeing your little right wing voter suppression shtick yet.

It has nothing to do with voter fraud. Repeat, our current governor was the previous AG. During his tenure, he prosecuted zero voter fraud cases. As far as I know, it wasn't even an issue he addressed as some kind of concern while he was AG

This one state rep's statement sums up the reason for the law. If you still think it has nothing to do with denying those plaintiffs the right to vote, there isn't anything else that will.

Originally Posted by MTT

Did your Garnadfather and now your family keep her as a slave? Does she have a bank account and control of her own money?
No SSN so I am guessing No Medicare / No SS / Never paid federal taxes / No anything? Does she even have title to her property?

The life long criminal suppresion of Your Grandmothers identity is not an excuse to alow other to missrepresent themself in a election

If you are not participating in society enough that you have identification, you should not be making decisions about government (Voting)

She does collect Social Security as a "survivor" of my grandfather, using his SSN because she does not have one.

She pays federal taxes every year. When my grampa died, she continued filing taxes every year with his SSN, and got audited every year. I honestly have no idea how the IRS resolved that, but they quit auditing her a few years back and she never got a SSN. I assume the IRS assigned her an EIN maybe ??? Don't know.

Her birth was recorded at the Methodist church, but not at the courthouse. Apparently that was the custom back then.

Your statement about owning property and having government issued ID flies in the face of the US Constitution. When she was born I'm sure no one thought about having to file a birth record with the goverernment in order to vote 90-some years in the future because one political party would try to keep black people from voting. I'm sure they would have said "Negroes ? Voting ? WTF "

If it would be so easy for her to get a government issued ID, please explain it here. The Ombudsman at her nursing home has been trying unsuccessfully for several years. The courthouse has her listed as a registered voter for over 70 years.

The nursing home is about 20 miles from the farm in Indiana where she was born. Everyone around there knows our family.

Her mind is still very sharp, but her body is frail. She plans to vote for Romney, if she is allowed to vote.

Whistleblowers like this in 2000. This is not a new issue and there are plenty of hard examples. Dig deeper and I'm sure you will be appalled as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A5dsrHBfyc
It happens at all levels.
http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/887
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/

oh yeah and many of these companies are foreign owned. How's that sit with ya?
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...ction-Software

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yExMng0iEVk

This is the biggest issue but keep your head in the sand or be distracted by the "voter fraud" argument.

I found these links in 5 min but have looked much deeper. I suggest you do the same.

Originally Posted by masterofgreenbeans

Whistleblowers like this in 2000. This is not a new issue and there are plenty of hard examples. Dig deeper and I'm sure you will be appalled as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9A5dsrHBfyc
It happens at all levels.
http://eastcountymagazine.org/node/887
http://www.salon.com/2011/09/27/votinghack/


oh yeah and many of these companies are foreign owned. How's that sit with ya?
http://www.businesswire.com/news/hom...ction-Software

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yExMng0iEVk

This is the biggest issue but keep your head in the sand or be distracted by the "voter fraud" argument.

I found these links in 5 min but have looked much deeper. I suggest you do the same.

Those are 2 separate issues. All the ID in the world can't prevent that.

It's official. moeghoul is braindead.

Carole Aichele, Pennsylvania Secretary Of State, Testifies At Voter ID Trial

Secretary of Commonwealth Carole Aichele on the fifth day of a trial over Pennsylvania's voter identification law testified at one point that she didn't know what the law said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1725988.html

Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Trial Set To Begin As State Concedes It Has No Proof Of In-Person Voter Fraud

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/0...n_1697980.html

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

It's official. moeghoul is braindead.

Don't like the message, go after the messenger.

Originally Posted by Bunion

Don't like the message, go after the messenger.

No sweat, Dumbeddownbrain isn't qualified to practice medicine. Misdiagnosis of a situation is his strong suit.

RIght Wing Voter Suppression Drive

I saw that title and thought it was a move to keep the right wing from voting.

My next thought was, "They gonna make them produce a grade school diploma?"

Yeah, state of PA admits in stipulations that they have never seen Voter fraud, and have no reason to believe there would be voter fraud if they don't enact the Voter ID law. I'm pretty sure the courts will rule against the law with that info and the guy saying the law would deliver PA to Romney. Seems like the only reasonable explanation of the law.

The rationale of the Florida law is fully explained here:

http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tu...gistration-law

Splat - what was you IQ again?

I'm betting it's at least 2 points lower than your age.

Originally Posted by splat

RIght Wing Voter Suppression Drive

I saw that title and thought it was a move to keep the right wing from voting.

I thought the exact same thing when I saw that title!! Only I thought: "About fucking time!!!!" The whack conservies in this country have been trying to suppress dems and libs from voting for HOW long now? Oh...that's right, forever.

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Originally Posted by Harry

When she was born I'm sure no one thought about having to file a birth record with the goverernment in order to vote 90-some years in the future because one political party would try to keep black people from voting. I'm sure they would have said "Negroes ? Voting ? WTF "

You do know which party supported segregation when she was born yes?