Thread: greg hill is now on salomon

Originally Posted by Marius

but what about a new binding system?

any ideas how a new system could look like?
heelpiece like standard alpine, frontpiece a combined alpine/tech piece. the alpine soleblock could work for the dh mode, the pins for the uphill. the heelpiece should float backwards somehow for uphill.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=227036

This is more or less what you are describing. I agree though... Something completely redesigned, taking the best of both worlds and improving it is absolutely possible no matter how hard it would be to introduce a new norm into the market.

^^^ That's sort of what MFD's were designed to do, no? Of course, they still have some issues they're working out and the binding / plate combo is heavy.

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

^^^ That's sort of what MFD's were designed to do, no? Of course, they still have some issues they're working out and the binding / plate combo is heavy.

No, not at all.
MFD's were designed for people who only want to ski in alpine bindings, don't care about added cost, weight, or uphill performance, and don't understand that an Alpine Trekker will work for what they need.

Originally Posted by Marius

my dynafits frontpiece is loose after skiing 50days on 100-115mm skis

What?.....

IF it ever makes it to market the Trab binding could be it. Maybe Salomon should just buy Trab!

Originally Posted by SiSt

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=227036

This is more or less what you are describing. I agree though... Something completely redesigned, taking the best of both worlds and improving it is absolutely possible no matter how hard it would be to introduce a new norm into the market.

yes, kinda. for a hommade-garage-work actually not too bad.
for amer sports this should be possible. the market is afaik big enough. even in Old Europe all kids quit skiracing...

Originally Posted by Marius

- my dynafits frontpiece is loose after skiing 50days on 100-115mm skis

Explain please

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Explain please

It's a trap!!!

Originally Posted by SiSt

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...d.php?t=227036

This is more or less what you are describing. I agree though... Something completely redesigned, taking the best of both worlds and improving it is absolutely possible no matter how hard it would be to introduce a new norm into the market.

definitely possible with the more money. Wasn't the problem with "better" Dynafit binding from some Italian company that they needed a new norm and couldn't get boot mfg buy in? (don't remember the corp name was at tradeshows several years ago, lots of hype in tgr-land). Would be at least a couple season out though I'd think so I might give a shit in 3 years.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

Does Dynafit have a patent on the TLT5/Vulcan cuff lock system?

Supposedly it's protected by multiple patents. A quick search didn't turn any of them up, but they are mainly euro based. I don't think a direct copy of that mechanism is going to be possible. It would be interesting to dig up the patents, and check out the names on them, as that would give a better indication as to who was responsible for the actual development.

Hohes, you know that surfing is way too hard for most skiers - even wannabe pro ones.

Re Salomon and tech bindings, Andreas Fransson posted photos ages ago of (tech) binding testing at some big gathering of the Salomon Tribe, and he hinted that they were in the pipeline.

Originally Posted by Hohes

This thread delivered.

In my experience most skier-consumers have no idea and only half a care what gear a pro is using, particularly skis. Nor do they even connect with those pros. But they usually know exactly what gear the local is skiing on, they connect with them, and want to ski like they ski - at a level waaay below the pro level. I've seen it benefit brands over and over. Problem is, it gets smaller exposure whilst a photo of Superman holding Acme Skis in a magazine gets wide exposure.

Anyway, I reckon all wannabe pro skiers with frail ego should take up surfing so that at least they have a thing big enough to put all their decals on, and it can be seen by everyone on the beach, and you can go in comps with a captive audience watching your 20 minutes heats with hot chicks everywhere. From an ego-image perspective, pro skiing isn't even a good product. ha ha.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

definitely possible with the more money. Wasn't the problem with "better" Dynafit binding from some Italian company that they needed a new norm and couldn't get boot mfg buy in? (don't remember the corp name was at tradeshows several years ago, lots of hype in tgr-land). Would be at least a couple season out though I'd think so I might give a shit in 3 years.

You mean trab's bindings?

Originally Posted by Island Bay

Hohes, you know that surfing is way too hard for most skiers - even wannabe pro ones.

Re Salomon and tech bindings, Andreas Fransson posted photos ages ago of (tech) binding testing at some big gathering of the Salomon Tribe, and he hinted that they were in the pipeline.

Are you sure? Andreas signed for solly this spring, not before....

Sorry i'm late here, but would like to share a few thoughts...

- there are stellar skiers that just do not care that much about the gear they use. I know some of them, some have been mentioned here. From a company's perspective, they're ok for hype, not that much for gear design and validation.

- there are stellar skiers (again, mentioned here) that are sick about their gear. They are the best investment a company can make.... If the company listen to what they say. From my perspective, it's amazing that some companies do not listen to this people, but it happens, and seems to happen frequently...

- there is people that do not ski particularly well (or can hardly ski at all) but knows how to design and validate gear. The montebelluna and asolo area has the highest concentration in the world of ski boot designers, and at the present time very few people outside that area knows how to design good boots.

And yes, greg hill is unknown outside north america and federico is supposed to work for salomon in the running shoe dept

quoting Stephan Fritschi back in 2008, the numbers are probably higher but I still doubt that the North American sales really count for much in the grand scheme of things?

http://www.wildsnow.com/1075/rosti-p...factory-visit/

"the total number of AT bindings sold in a year (for all brands) is about 120,000. Most in Europe of course, with North America buying about the same number of units as an EU country such as Austria or France."

Isn't Greg Hill also a retired tree planter and the only way he could do that is get a real job or get a spancer with a large budget for advertising & product development ... good for Greg and i hope it works

Some more info specific to this move... not sure if someone already posted it or not.

http://skiingbusiness.com/13816/news...t-for-salomon/

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Some more info specific to this move... not sure if someone already posted it or not.

http://skiingbusiness.com/13816/news...t-for-salomon/

we will see if it is more of a "George Hincapie drops Selle Italia for Brooks" or "Tiger Woods drops Titleist for Nike"

Originally Posted by TahoeJ

Some more info specific to this move... not sure if someone already posted it or not.

http://skiingbusiness.com/13816/news...t-for-salomon/

you might check the link in the OP

And the thread comes full circle...

Originally Posted by marshalolson

you might check the link in the OP

Haha - funny. Whoops!

So do we start debating again?

Originally Posted by verbier61

Are you sure? Andreas signed for solly this spring, not before....

Kia ora Verbier!
This is the post I was talking about:
http://andreasfransson.blogspot.co.n...e-meet-la.html

We've just signed Marvin ! We will be removing our existing alien and replacing with a new likeness...

and we are making custom waist/inseam ski pants at freeride systems this fall....http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...de-pants/page2





































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ohhh noo greg is on salomon now..SO??
its like tomorrow will blow some wind..who gives a shit?
this forum is changing ,,useful infos are rare,but lots and lots of marketing spam,too many stupid questions repeating all
the time asking same things million times ,
this is /i suppose/ TECH talk no shitty talk..please all the kids go to swimming pool,and those who ski,
nex time put some USEFUL info here,otherwise create forum for such a "important" TECH things like someone went somewhere to do something...

Originally Posted by flying_raven

this forum is changing ,,

..says the guy that joined two years ago...

Anyways, back on topic. I was gonna add stuff to the hate wagon that was being pulled by a few with a dearth of knowledge on the subject matter, but it seems like sensibility is finally taking its' course. Most of all which is the notion that guys like Hill aren't added necessarily because of their publicity, but because of their expertise, addiction to tech-fiddling and passion for the sport. Just think about this, Dumont was dropped, Hill was added. Publicity versus Product Development/Gear Nerdery. Logo Shots on TV versus Inside Respect. Like I said before, I'm stoked to be in the meeting rooms and in the backcountry with a guy like Greg. He'll bring an entirely different perspective to the team and program than what guys like Abma, Henrik and I add.