Thread: Movement Jackal vs. Dynafit Stoke

Its a bit early this year but I've already started to think about ski season and replacing my touring setup. I demoed the Stokes last year in a 182 and was really surprised at how well it skied for being so light. I would have picked up a pair but I kept reading about inserts blowing up. That said, I recently read that Dynafit will be getting rid of the inserts for 2012/2013. I also see that Movement Jackal 185 which is very similar in size and weight. Has anyone skied both? Skied the Jackal? I'd be interested in opinions/comparisons...fairly minimal info on the Jackal on TGR.

Interesting, i am also looking for an alternative to the stoke, is the jackal early rise, it doesnt look like it since they say it has a Classic Camber profile ?

Although this thread isn't about the Jackal there's a photo...looks like traditional camber, no early rise...which is fine with me.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...uper-Turbo-192

Definatley not early rise which is a deal breaker for me, movement has a lot of trad camber skis

http://www.movementskis.com/products...eestyle/scoop/

BUT the 180 Scoop looks somewhat interesting with the 102 underfoot, early rise & light weight

shirk to the white courtesy phone please

It may seem a bit trivial, but for me the Dynafit SpeedSkins are a significant advantage of their skis. I only use my Manaslus for bigger tours where the lighter, more packable, and easier-to-manage skins are a benefit (this is compared to my G3 Alpinist and BD Glidelite Mix skins on wider skis); if you're looking for a daily driver it may be less of a consideration.

I'd recommend the Praxis Backcountry or the G3 Zen Oxide over the Stoke. They are great all around skis with similar dimensions to the Stoke, which is not a great ski at all.

Stoke will still have inserts for 12/13, Manaslu, MASL and Huascaran will not.

Originally Posted by XXX-er

Definatley not early rise which is a deal breaker for me, movement has a lot of trad camber skis

http://www.movementskis.com/products...eestyle/scoop/

BUT the 180 Scoop looks somewhat interesting with the 102 underfoot, early rise & light weight

shirk to the white courtesy phone please

I don't know anything about next years skis but last year the Jackal did not have any rise. I have two years on the Scoop and it is a nice very easy ski to ski but on the softer side. It has early rise and a full twin tip that is very similar to the rise in the front. I like the Scoop a lot but think it is to soft. It is real good in soft bumps and obviously skis short. They are also real fun in spring corn especially steeper narrow chutes so long as you don't get going to fast and really crank on them.

More info and pics here.

http://telemarktalk.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=78370

thanx for that^^^JQP , I also noticed the scoop came in pretty short lengths

Can anybody compare the zenoxide/saint/tonic to the stoke? on paper its almost as light, have early rise which might make it a good alternative to the stoke i got a couple of lighweight/atheletic buds with stokes and they really like them, they havent had trouble with the inserts but the ski is more fragile due to light weight and the guide is on his 2nd set

for me my BSL is so small that I wouldn't fit the inserts anyhow don't the insert

Originally Posted by XXX-er

Can anybody compare the zenoxide/saint/tonic to the stoke?

I demoed both, albeit in not so ideal conditions (manmade hardpack with a little ice), last year. In those conditions I preferred the Stoke because it was tad more stable at speed and on edge...keep in mind I'm 195 lbs. I'm using this ski for 100% touring so I think either would be a great option. Ideally I could find something in that 94-100mm range that is 8lbs or less for the pair and 185ish in length that is not a complete noodle.

Another option is the Praxis Yeti...which I have not skied (think it is new, no info yet on early rise/camber):

http://www.praxisskis.com/shop/buy-s...&category_id=6

Originally Posted by Colorado_Freeskier

I demoed both, albeit in not so ideal conditions (manmade hardpack with a little ice), last year. In those conditions I preferred the Stoke because it was tad more stable at speed and on edge...keep in mind I'm 195 lbs.
http://www.praxisskis.com/shop/buy-s...&category_id=6

I had the opposite experience. I found the Zen Oxide pretty darn good on hard snow and the Stoke quite poor. Maybe the Stokes I skied needed a tune. I think Lee Lau reviewed both on wildsnow.com. I found the Praxis Backcountry to be better than both but they weigh a bit more.

Ended up pulling the trigger on the Jackals and they arrived the other day. The Jackals are sooo much lighter when compared to my old AT skis (2006 Volkl Mantras, 184cm). Also they are a bit stiffer than anticipated, which is a good thing. Of course, I'll post up a review once I've had a chance to ski them next season.

hey, did you have a chance to test them yet?

I got a smoking deal on stokes & skins

Originally Posted by saxon

It may seem a bit trivial, but for me the Dynafit SpeedSkins are a significant advantage of their skis. I only use my Manaslus for bigger tours where the lighter, more packable, and easier-to-manage skins are a benefit (this is compared to my G3 Alpinist and BD Glidelite Mix skins on wider skis); if you're looking for a daily driver it may be less of a consideration.

on the scale the dynafit skins appear to be almost 100grams less that a nylon acesnsion

Finally got a few runs in on the Jackals...posted initial thoughts in this thread and pasted in the post below.

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...al-Impressions

I've been looking for a light weight touring ski ever since I tested a bunch at Bent Gate's demo day last season at Loveland. Conditions were shit (manmade) the day of the demo and I managed to get 2-3 laps with the Dynafit Stoke, G3 Zenocide, and few Black Diamond skis. I came away thinking I'd buy the Stoke this year but I've heard about too many problems with blown binding inserts so I decided to go another route. I thought I'd go with the G3 but then I came across the Movement Jackal which has the exact same dimensions, yet it is much lighter. From what I understand it is made in the same plant as the G3 except using Movement's layup. My 185s weighed in at 3,372 grams (almost 7lb 7oz). Also, the Jackals are a traditionally cambered ski. Since they are my touring ski I mounted them up with Dynafits.

Well, Loveland opened last week and I couldn't resist taking them out for a few laps. The setup is really light, but I was amazed at how well the ski carved. They have a nice even flex and they seemed to want to stick to the snow during a carve or when the ski was flat. At no point did they feel skittish despite the sub-par conditions.

While the Jackal is about the same weight as the Stoke, I preferred the Jackal as it has more snap in a hard carve. Obviously, it feels very similar to the Zenocide given the shared dimensions but, again, I thought the Movement has more snap to it...throw in the lighter weight and I think the Movement is a bit nicer than the G3 given what I was looking for. I'll post up a more complete review once I get them out in deep snow and push them.

Oh yeah, for reference I'm 5'11" and 195 lbs...daily drivers are a Legend Pro (186 or 194), XXLs on really deep days and 191 Nordica WC GSRs for hardpack.