Thread: A worthy action; stop wasting your time ranting here and do something -------->

Well tell us your "information" if you think it pertains to us making phone calls and looking into it. You're being more cryptic than your crazy conspiracy OP.

As of this time you have produced zero evidence of anything that seems out I place. Hearsay of things that just don't happen, a community that doesn't give a fuck, obvious resolutions not taken. This story stinks of BS.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

Well tell us your "information" if you think it pertains to us making phone calls and looking into it. You're being more cryptic than your crazy conspiracy OP.

As of this time you have produced zero evidence of anything that seems out I place. Hearsay of things that just don't happen, a community that doesn't give a fuck, obvious resolutions not taken. This story stinks of BS.

Ms. Watkins seems to think it's a real problem: he has injuries from a car accident that have not been attended to because the olny person willing to take him to the hospital is his dad who has been disbarred from doing so by the judge. In the interim, he's lost his medicare because he's lost his job, so he may have permanent injury.

He's no longer a juvenile yet is being held in a juvenile facility.

There's some ofd what I learned and there's more. But I'd rather spend my time doing something else than engaging here.

I can't believe that some of you folks think this is horseshit. You must not realize that judges operate under a veil of impunity. The hair cutting incident is on the wire and appeared in the local paper today.


PRICE, Utah (AP) — A Utah mother says she felt intimidated in court when a judge told her that he would reduce her 13-year-old daughter's sentence if she chopped off the girl's ponytail in court — an offer the mother says she now wishes she hadn't taken.

Valerie Bruno, of Price, said she has filed a formal complaint against 7th District Juvenile Judge Scott Johansen with the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission. The teenager and an 11-year-old friend were referred to juvenile court for cutting off the hair of a 3-year-old girl with scissors in March and for harassing another girl in Colorado by telephone.

When the 13-year-old faced Johansen for a hearing in May, he ordered she serve 30 days in detention and to perform 276 hours of community service, but he also offered to take 150 hours of community service off the sentence if her mother cut her ponytail in his courtroom.

Bruno is now expressing regret for not consulting an attorney before taking her daughter into the courtroom.

"I guess I should have went into the courtroom knowing my rights, because I felt very intimidated," she told the Deseret News. "An eye for an eye, that's not how you teach kids right from wrong."

Mindy Moss, mother of the 3-year-old whose hair was cut off, said she approved of the sentence and even spoke up during the hearing when she felt Bruno had not cut off enough of her daughter's hair. Johansen then directed Bruno to cut the ponytail all the way "to the rubber band."

Moss told The Salt Lake Tribune that she originally called police about the haircut because she worried the girls' behavior could become more serious.

"I didn't want them to think they got away with it … It was malicious," Moss said.

Attempts by The Associated Press to reach Johansen were unsuccessful Sunday.

Colin Winchester, executive director of the Utah Judicial Conduct Commission, said the state Constitution bars him from commenting on whether a complaint has been filed against a judge. A complaint only becomes public if disciplinary action is taken against a judge, he said.

Under state law, judges are given discretion in coming up with sanctions for youth that will change their behavior in a positive way.

Johansen ordered the friend of Bruno's daughter to have her hair cut as short as his. She was allowed to go to a salon to have it done, then return to the courtroom to ensure that the new hairstyle met with the judge's approval.

Someone should be posting that judge's home phone number...pervert fucktard that he is.

Originally Posted by splat

Under state law, judges are given discretion in coming up with sanctions for youth that will change their behavior in a positive way.

It's a well intentioned policy even if in this hair cutting case the Judge sounds a freakshow. A 13 year old abusing a 3 year old doesn't need 30 days detention or court room hair cuts.... they need counselling.

Let's not forget we had to have the supreme court rule this week that children couldn't be subject to mandatory life with no parole sentences (unless under exceptional(?) circumstances). And that there are ~2500 serving such sentences in the US at the moment.

Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

I'm still convinced the judge and the juvenile detention system are way out of whack on this one and that there is a serious need to look into this.

Agreed, the kid made some mistakes for sure but the system is not doing anyone any favors.

Even if your the most hardcore utility type thinker about humans you still must acknowledge that for every human unbelievable amounts of resources and capital have been invested if you want humanity to recoup that investment shit like this is a big fucking problem. Buster is right too in that alot of the problems we face as a nation and as a species are due to the I just don't want to do anything about factor.

Lastly denying medical care to any person for almost any reason is simply not acceptable, if you ask medics in Afghanistan to fix up some dude who just blew up 5 of his fellow countrymen than you damn well better be providing care to a kid with some minor fuckups while hanging out in Juvy.