Thread: Romney waging Class Warfare

Originally Posted by ArmadaBC

Oil company tax breaks are reasonable and prudent, go look them up and explain which particular benefit you don't like.

I'm not against them. Just using them as an example.

Originally Posted by 4matic

Higher taxes are the same thing as lower benefits for high wage earners. Either way it is a tax increase according to conservatives so in fact Romney is proposing higher taxes. Go Tea Party!

The question I was answering was - what does the dumbest person in America think - so I speculated about Obama. I have yet to offer an opinion.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

I have yet to offer an opinion.

Well, we're waiting

“Look at you, big guy! You’re what, 285, 287 pounds?”

Originally Posted by 4matic

SS is actually ok with some minor tweaks. It's Medicare that is afu.

The US is fucked wrt to medical care w or w/o Medicare reform (the great elephant the conservative failboats ignore)

Regarding Medicare - many elderly just couldn't get insurance at any price.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Regarding Medicare - many elderly just couldn't get insurance at any price.

Let em die.

Originally Posted by 4matic

Well, we're waiting

He's waiting for Breitfart to send him a chain email to copy and paste here.

Heh. It's funny to see people dance around the "let them die" reality.

Originally Posted by 4matic

Does it matter? It's class warfare, right? Be consistent.

It matters because it's pretty hard to figure out a good / moral solution for individuals who paid in their whole lives with the expectation of $YYYYY in return without knowing any numbers.

I'm just curious about the "break Even contributor".

"Class warfare Obama style is a method of getting votes without offering a realistic solution to the problem. Obama is generically saying the rich need to pay more without offering a plan as to how the rich paying more will actually fix a SINGLE problem.

My suspicion is that whatever Romney is proposing as a tax increase will have as it's end result A SOLUTION. (I could be wrong. As you know, Romney isn't my first or 10th choice)

Let me clue you in on something that, if you don't understand, will never allow you to talk about conservatives intelligently.

Tea Partiers are against ANY tax increases because they KNOW it's money down the drain.

If your kid came to you for $20 for gas and he spent the money on beer, then came back to you for $25 more bucks for gas, then he spent it on beer, how many times could he spend an ever increasing payment on beer before you said That's enough dumbass.

On the other hand. If you give the kid $20, he fills his tank and brings back change, next time he asks for $25, you'll probably give it to him.

Same thing....If the government wants more money, they could get it from me. But they need to show they are responsible FIRST!

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

It matters because it's pretty hard to figure out a good / moral solution for individuals who paid in their whole lives with the expectation of $YYYYY in return without knowing any numbers.

I'm just curious about the "break Even contributor".

"Class warfare Obama style is a method of getting votes without offering a realistic solution to the problem. Obama is generically saying the rich need to pay more without offering a plan as to how the rich paying more will actually fix a SINGLE problem.

My suspicion is that whatever Romney is proposing as a tax increase will have as it's end result A SOLUTION. (I could be wrong. As you know, Romney isn't my first or 10th choice)

Let me clue you in on something that, if you don't understand, will never allow you to talk about conservatives intelligently.

Tea Partiers are against ANY tax increases because they KNOW it's money down the drain.

If your kid came to you for $20 for gas and he spent the money on beer, then came back to you for $25 more bucks for gas, then he spent it on beer, how many times could he spend an ever increasing payment on beer before you said That's enough dumbass.

On the other hand. If you give the kid $20, he fills his tank and brings back change, next time he asks for $25, you'll probably give it to him.

Same thing....If the government wants more money, they could get it from me. But they need to show they are responsible FIRST!

You give your kid $20 for gas and while he's driving he hits a pothole and breaks the suspension. Do you fix it? Does it cost more than the initial $20 to fix the problem? I agree that money has not been well spent but we have no choice but to pay more to fix what is broken.

Originally Posted by 4matic

You give your kid $20 for gas and while he's driving he hits a pothole and breaks the suspension. Do you fix it? Does it cost more than the initial $20 to fix the problem? I agree that money has not been well spent but we have no choice but to pay more to fix what is broken.

Not if he did it because he was driving drunk, because he spent the gas money on beer! I'd take the car away AND make him pay for the damages, oh yeah, and I'd want my gas (beer) money back. Gotta rein it the spending somehow. Seems like what Romney's thinking may be necessary, but really isn't going to fix the overall problem. Might help a bit, though.

What would make me happiest is if I had the option of opting out of Social Security all together. I don't even want a dime of my money back...I just want out, as it's obviously a horrible return on investment. I could think of many wiser ways to save toward retirement. I'm glad the system's there for people who really need it, but I wish that could be a personal choice.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

So if say a library closes for lack of funding that's a tax increase?

If I'm receiving $200 monthly from the fed. gov't (for say SS disability benefits) and I've been paying a set tax rate on that benefit and the gov't decreases the $200 to $175, but the tax rate doesn't decrease then in effect that has become a higher tax rate. Is that incorrect ?

Originally Posted by OSECS

If I'm receiving $200 monthly from the fed. gov't

Parasite.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Parasite.

You say parasite, I say benefit recipient ........

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

What would make me happiest is if I had the option of opting out of Social Security all together. I don't even want a dime of my money back...I just want out, as it's obviously a horrible return on investment. I could think of many wiser ways to save toward retirement. I'm glad the system's there for people who really need it, but I wish that could be a personal choice.

But isn't this exactly the same as the middle income guy that decides not to get health insurance and then has a big accident from the top of this page? Do you let him die? When you're old and your investments didn't pan out so you're flat broke, does society leave you to rot in the gutter?

I'm not saying that I disagree with your fundamental premise, I'm saying that the real-world implications are problematic.

Originally Posted by OSECS

I say benefit recipient ........

Your disability benefit. Traumatic brain injury?

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Your disability benefit. Traumatic brain injury?

I was just this close to putting a disclaimer on the last post, cause I knew this would be yer next post (you're welcome by the way for the set up).


Nope, my brain only hurts when I read some of the silly shit spewed here.......

Originally Posted by toast2266

But isn't this exactly the same as the middle income guy that decides not to get health insurance and then has a big accident from the top of this page? Do you let him die? When you're old and your investments didn't pan out so you're flat broke, does society leave you to rot in the gutter?

I'm not saying that I disagree with your fundamental premise, I'm saying that the real-world implications are problematic.

I wouldn't be so stupid as to put all of my eggs in one basket, but IF my investments all went bust, and I was old, destitute, and too feeble to work, I'd have to depend on my family, friends, and perhaps private charity. No matter what may happen to me, I don't want to pass that burden on to the nation. Yeah, it'd be harder on my family than spreading the burden across the whole of the nation, but that would encourage me to have my crap straight beforehand so that scenario doesn't happen. Worst comes to worst, yes, the federal government should leave me to rot in the gutter. I don't think it's their job.

Then again, I might have a different mindset than most of the nation. I'm a veteran, and was told I'd qualify for partial disability (my hearing's been damaged due to being around jet engines for 6 years). I refused. I don't view it as a true disability, as it hasn't kept me from one single job. Also as a veteran, I qualify for a certain level of healthcare. I've never chosen to go that route, instead paying for private care. When I lost my job right before Christmas of 2008, I didn't bother with trying to receive any unemployment benefits. I instead worked my ass off trying to find another job, took a long time, and I had to drain every account I had, but I made it through. Was extra incentive to find work, no matter what. My next job was a significant decrease from what I was making the year before, but whatever, it paid the bills. I was b-r-o-k-e, living like a poor college student again, surviving mostly off ramen noodles and basic staples. Definitely would've qualified for food stamps, and could've eaten like a king, but I couldn't bring myself to do that.

Yeah, I think and live a bit differently than most folks. Maybe you guys are right, and our society just isn't quite ready for that level of personal responsibility. Not sure what the solution is, but at least Romney's coming up with SOME kind of forward thinking on this.

I remember hearing a libertarian politician on the radio that had one of the best, but most radical solutions I've heard. I forget who it was exactly, but he said let's pay all the senior citizens and older generation what they were promised, with our generation getting less, and the youngest or next generation getting nothing (not having to pay anything either, though), with the end goal of ending social security all together. Sounds cold-hearted, but it's the only thing I'm satisfied with in the long run.

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

I wouldn't be so stupid as to put all of my eggs in one basket, but IF my investments all went bust, and I was old, destitute, and too feeble to work, I'd have to depend on my family, friends, and perhaps private charity. No matter what may happen to me, I don't want to pass that burden on to the nation.

Hope isn't a plan, moran.

Social Security came about because what came before it - the line you are spewing - didn't work for society. Why do you think it'd work now? Other than you are special.

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

yes, the federal government should leave me to rot in the gutter.

Would it still be local government's responsibility to keep the gutters clean.... or would we go to some some kind of super-funding project model?

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Would it still be local government's responsibility to keep the gutters clean.... or would we go to some some kind of super-funding project model?

Private religious charities. Duh. Or convict labor.

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

convict labor.

Convicts don't work for free in our for profit prison system... moran.

Probably offer two years of street cleaning time as an alternative to self deportation.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Probably offer two years of street cleaning time as an alternative to self deportation.

Wouldn't they be stealing our jerbs then?

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

Wouldn't they be stealing our jerbs then?

We'd be filling all the lawn maintenance industry vacancies.... silly.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

We'd be filling all the lawn maintenance industry vacancies.... silly.

To take care of the $2,000 a month rental properties the maggot slumlords are lusting over?

Without real economic growth yer just stealing from another pocketbook so for you to be a big winner someone else has to lose. Bunch of people losing = bunch of people dying in the gutter. Rather shitty situation for everyone, unless you want to be some 3rd worlder driving by in your Cayenne