Thread: Mittens and Obummer. Are they really that much different????

Submitted by James Miller of the Ludwig von Mises Institute of Canada

"In America, the Democrat vs. Republican paradigm forces both parties to appease centrists and independent voters. The nominees must campaign not as extremists, but pragmatic moderates who embody the level headedness of the people. The victor in November is thus given an electoral mandate from the voters to carry out their collective will.

This is also the election process taught in public schools and universities.

But while the American public has been duped into believing such a process gives rise to pragmatic and temperate leaders, quite the opposite is true.

With former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney now the presumptive Republican nominee, campaign season is now fully underway. Romney is being portrayed as the free market loving, social conservative choice to Barack Obama’s cool, calm, and collected liberalism. Instead of falling victim to the stereotype of being a fragile leftist, Obama’s ramping up of the War on Terror has been applauded by the right as a step toward the center. Weekly Standard editor and all around warmonger Bill Kristol declared the President a “born again neo-con.” And in spite of initially supporting a public option within his key legislative achievement of health care reform, Obama opted for the less extreme alternative of the individual mandate that the conservative Heritage Foundation once endorsed.

As for Romney, he was portrayed by his opponents as Obama-lite due to his pioneering the President’s health care scheme during his tenure as governor of Massachusetts. Romney has gone on record stating “I’m not going to cut $1 trillion in the first year” as it would “cause our economy to shrink [and] would put a lot of people out of work.” Of course his logic only works if you believe the money stolen and spent by the government actually creates wealth despite the expenditures never having to compete in the open market. Statements like these are what leads to Romney being called a “closet Keynesian” by Paul Krugman and the “Massachusetts moderate” by Newt Gingrich.

Though the November election will be hyped as two opposites squaring off against each other, both candidates are considered rather moderate compared to who could have been the nominees.

The question is, are Barack Obama and Mitt Romney really that moderate?

Let’s account for the similarity in policy of both.

–Both are large supporters of the military industrial complex. Romney has vowed to increase defense spending and wants the Navy, which is larger than the navies of the next 13 nations combined, to ramp up production of warships. Numerous times the former governor has vowed to prevent Iran from acquiring a nuclear weapon even if it means offensive military action. For Obama, as the New York Times recently revealed, the President spends every Tuesday morning playing God by picking out drone targets on what could be mistaken for baseball cards. His unlawfully ordered death strikes are based on flimsy evidence and incredibly vague criteria for determining who the enemy is. And then there are the hundreds of civilian casualties that have been a result of the unaccountable killing spree. The drone war won’t end in a second Obama administration and military aggression will likely escalate under a Romney presidency. This policy does absolutely nothing to keep the U.S. safe and everything to put the public in harm’s way.

–Both show no opposition to the Federal Reserve System and the banking cronyism it has institutionalized. Both supported the Wall Street bailouts and the unprecedented bout of money printing that took place during the financial crisis. While Goldman Sachs was Obama’s biggest private donor in the last election, the investment firm is currently Romney’s largest donor. This election is shaping up to be more of the same as Wall Street is bankrolling both candidates. Seeing as how the whole banking system operates under the veil of solvency due to fractional reserve lending, it is in the elite money lender’s interest to use their easy access to the printing press to keep the house of cards from collapsing.

–Neither candidate has made a peep out of ending the needlessly expensive and socially degenerating drug war. In fact, the Obama administration has increased spending on drug enforcement and has cracked down on medical marijuana distributors more than any other president before him. Romney hasn’t taken a position on the drug war but considering his socially conservative talking points, it’s extremely unlikely he will allow others the freedom of putting what they want in their own bodies. In short, both candidates are supporters of the prohibition on dry plants and the seedy and dangerous black market it has created.

–And then there is the drug of which all of Washington is addicted to: spending and borrowing. Neither Obama nor Romney have presented budgets that have actually brought expenditures in line with revenues. The national debt would balloon under both their proposals. Being that, as Lew Rockwell identified, pork barrel spending is the “entirety” of the federal government’s budget, denying the welfare dependents of their food stamps, the elderly of their Social Security checks, farmers of their subsidies, green energy companies of their taxpayer loans, Wall Street of its implied bailouts, dictators of their foreign aid, and military contractors of their lucrative deals has become electoral suicide.

Those opposed to the above polices are typically referred to as radicals. This is especially so for the independent minded who see politics as a game played by well dressed mobsters and the state as an institution of pure thievery. In modern American discourse, peace is now the policy of ignorance. The right to do what you want with your self and property must come second to the will of the ruling class. Being in favor of free markets and not the crooked capitalism which politicians love means wishing to see workers starving in the streets. True liberty is only of value to the dimwitted and unpatriotic.

Texas Congressman Ron Paul was a steadfast supporter of sound money, nonintervention, the unfettered market, and significantly axing government spending before a now guaranteed financial collapse. His reward was being treated like a senile uncle and his presidential campaign being subjected to an incredible amount of voter fraud. He was deemed too much of a threat to the establishment.

In the end, Paul and others who are disgusted at the utter cronyism that is the state aren’t the extremists. What’s extreme is a blind adoration of government power. Paul isn’t a radical; he is practically the only politician in Washington who isn’t a closet socialist or fascist on an egotistical power trip.

With such radicalism deeply entrenched in the U.S. government, the best hope the country has is for this fall’s election turnout to be the lowest on record. Like Egypt, the choice is between two radicals seeking to use the state’s apparatus of violence to help their political buddies and mold society to their liking. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still evil and immoral. The freedom to not vote is still available to Americans. They would be best to exercise it before it’s too late."

I sure hope you guys that can vote, will write anyone else in but the two mainstream candidates as they both suck.
Don't vote for any incumbents: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXkLs-Xesb4

Are Obama and Romney really that different??

The answer to this question is black and white.

Next.

Originally Posted by Harry

Are Obama and Romney really that different??

The answer to this question is black and white.

Next.

Pretty much.

The difference between them basically boils down to the color of their skin.

If Obama was white and Romney was black, you would be sucking Romney's cock, huh?

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

Pretty much.

The difference between them basically boils down to the color of their skin.

If Obama was white and Romney was black, you would be sucking Romney's cock, huh?

You will always be a loser as long as you are such a huge racist.

Do you really think a conservative would vote for a liberal over a guy like Allen West or some other black conservative based on skin color?

You are one fucked up guy.

Romney and Obama are vastly different and products of their upbringing.

They share basically the same goals though.

Their Parties demand that.

Originally Posted by dumbest Person in America

You are one fucked up guy.

Alot of similarities between the two, but there are some obvious differences on a couple of things.

Romney will push for lower taxes for corporations and the wealthy, be much more gung-ho to attack Syria or Iran, be a bit more supportive in (token) illegal border-apprehensions, and favor far less Wall Street regulation of the banksters.

Obama will push for higher taxes for the wealthy, push the Green Agenda more, defend Obamacare more strongly, and not support a strong border regarding illegal immigration. Also try for an even more socialized state, as much as he's allowed to do.

Maybe a few other diffferences I left out..

When it comes to the loss of civil rights and a general piecemeal Constitutional degradation, they will be mostly on the same page. Romney will simply be alot like George W Bush (was) I think. I don't care what Romney's lying does in an attempt to negate that perception..

The Federal Reserve, Bush Sr, Soros, the CFR, and the UN will run the same old show here. As always.

The American public (for the most part) still don't get this, unfortunately. Most are still so highly-partisan and duped/deceived by the paradigm that they can't see the forest for the trees. Some do get it, of course. As more and more are waking up in sober fashion to the longtime reality of REAL politiks in this country.

Ron Paul has been effectively neutered and marginalized by a corrupt GOP, intent on serving their Wall Street and Reserve-backers and cronies.

And Gary Johnson is still even less well-known than RP was 4 years ago.

If the American public was seen by TPTB as strongly supporting a candidate not one of their own (and if the PTB lost control of the Electoral College scam), you'd see a false-flag, a JFK-style "hit", or a martial law situation to quickly remedy that potential loss of political and economic control.

Flame away...

Originally Posted by machschnell

Alot of similarities between the two, but there are some obvious differences on a couple of things.

Romney will push for lower taxes for corporations and the wealthy, be much more gung-ho to attack Syria or Iran, be a bit more supportive in (token) illegal border-apprehensions, and favor far less Wall Street regulation of the banksters.

Obama will push for higher taxes for the wealthy, push the Green Agenda more, defend Obamacare more strongly, and not support a strong border regarding illegal immigration. Also try for an even more socialized state, as much as he's allowed to do.

In 4 years Obama has done NOTHING to raise taxes for corporations or the wealthy. Actions speak louder than words. In 4 years Romney would not be able to lower taxes for the corporations or the wealthy. The only difference is rhetoric. Not actions. Same as Syria and Iran. Obama talks a slightly more pacifist tone, but his actions have been 100% hawk. Even more so than Bush. Romney would, again, be more aggressive rhetorically, but as far as actions go, it would be impossible for him to be more hawkish. Obama speaks a good game about illegal immigration, that the liberals eat up, but reality is that he has been just as, if not more aggressive at curbing illegal immigration than his predecessors. Again Romney would be more outspoken about it, but there is little to nothing more that he could do than Obama is already doing.

Maybe a few other diffferences I left out..

When it comes to the loss of civil rights and a general piecemeal Constitutional degradation, they will be mostly on the same page. Romney will simply be alot like George W Bush (was) I think. I don't care what Romney's lying does in an attempt to negate that perception..

The Federal Reserve, Bush Sr, Soros, the CFR, and the UN will run the same old show here. As always.

The American public (for the most part) still don't get this, unfortunately. Most are still so highly-partisan and duped/deceived by the paradigm that they can't see the forest for the trees. Some do get it, of course. As more and more are waking up in sober fashion to the longtime reality of REAL politiks in this country.

Ron Paul has been effectively neutered and marginalized by a corrupt GOP, intent on serving their Wall Street and Reserve-backers and cronies.

And Gary Johnson is still even less well-known than RP was 4 years ago.

If the American public was seen by TPTB as strongly supporting a candidate not one of their own (and if the PTB lost control of the Electoral College scam), you'd see a false-flag, a JFK-style "hit", or a martial law situation to quickly remedy that potential loss of political and economic control.

Flame away...

I pretty much agree with all of this.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You will always be a loser as long as you are such a huge racist.

Do you really think a conservative would vote for a liberal over a guy like Allen West or some other black conservative based on skin color?

You are one fucked up guy.

You are so not smart. I actually feel bad for your children.

Same shit, different parties.

It's like I haven't said all this before and you people just come up with your version of my ideas. I'll state it again, plain and simple. Not one politician is different than the next at the root. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain because it doesn't fucking matter who you put there. They are puppets in a greater play.

They intentionally polarize the population to keep us infighting and get us to stop looking at the real problem and that is the system itself. This is the same with ALL governments. Ever seen an illusionist? Slight of hand. You're looking here while I'm doing this.

It's about deception. And you dummies are buying it hook, line and sinker. The fact you spend your free time arguing these stupid candidates platforms and rhetoric online shows how entrenched you are in this drama.

In your (our) life times we will never see any change in our government and the way it treats the people of this country unless there is a bloody revolution. That won't happen because American's are pussies so just shut the fuck up about this shit. You won't help change it and it won't be changed. Romney, Obama, Johnson, Paul. IT DOESN'T FUCKING MATTER. Crowbar that into your mongoloid craniums.

Originally Posted by machschnell

If the American public was seen by TPTB as strongly supporting a candidate not one of their own (and if the PTB lost control of the Electoral College scam), you'd see a false-flag, a JFK-style "hit", or a martial law situation to quickly remedy that potential loss of political and economic control.
Flame away...

Totally agree. So what are you going to do about it?

The point of this thread was to suggest Amerikans need to vote out the incumbents in Congress and write in someone else for POTUS.

Originally Posted by liv2ski

Totally agree. So what are you going to do about it?

The point of this thread was to suggest Amerikans need to vote out the incumbents in Congress and write in someone else for POTUS.

Again... it won't matter dummy. The "President" has far less power than you think he does. Smoke and mirrors my friend. It's all smoke and mirrors.

THIS SAYS IT ALL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk

Originally Posted by St. Jerry

THIS SAYS IT ALL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOaCemmsnNk

Or... you know... they could just read what I posted and let that shit sink in. But, of course... they won't. Democrats and Republicans for the win!!!!

Originally Posted by liv2ski

Totally agree. So what are you going to do about it?

The point of this thread was to suggest Amerikans need to vote out the incumbents in Congress and write in someone else for POTUS.

Yes. Johnson or other. For all the token-good THAT will do. As it is, I think the Pauls were either threatened or were being deceitful for quite some time..

Yeah, there's other things we could do too, but...

[never mind..]

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

Or... you know... they could just read what I posted and let that shit sink in. But, of course... they won't. Democrats and Republicans for the win!!!!

Dude, I've been saying (for 3-4 years now - not on this forum - admittedly) pretty much exactly what you surmised earlier in this thread, and you wouldn't believe the looks and expressions I get when I drop the real truth on people. No one out there wants to hear or deal with the actual truth of things in our current geopolitikal nightmare. They prefer feel-good & cuddly little fantasies and bullshit to the/my words of harsh reality.

So I backed off my rhetoric ... so people listen somwhat ... and don't get too knee-jerk angry at me..

Most people are just plain fucking cowards. Americans completely suck when it comes to things like reality.

Keep yer powder dry.

It's funny that so many people in this forum are as naïve as so many of Obama's supporters. They don't realize that we are at the point in the story where that one chick is just about to rise up from that bathtub and attack Michael Douglas one more time. If any of you have any pet rabbits you might want to request Secret Service protection for them because this is just the start of things to come in putting America back on the right track when Romney is President:

-- First bomb. Then invade Iran

-- Drill for oil in all national wilderness areas

-- Cut taxes for us millionaires

-- Make transvaginal probing a requirement to buy birth control and to shop at Victoria's Secret

-- Require insurance companies to only cover priests as gynecologists

-- Restore property rights robbed by the commie, Abe Lincoln, after the War of Northern Aggression

-- Privatize the House and Senate

-- Issue an executive order changing "arabic numerals" to "freedom numerals"

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

You are so not smart. I actually feel bad for your children.

My childern feel bad for you. I have taught them to be color blind, and to avoid huge racists like you.

This thread is one big ad for the Tea Party.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

My childern feel bad for you. I have taught them to be color blind, and to avoid huge racists like you.

Even tho his adult children no longer speak to him.... Downbound Train taught them the way his father taught him: Conjure up scary, hypothetical scenarios where he’s victimized, then react as if they're actually happening.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

This thread is one big ad for the Tea Party.

Really, I didn't see it that way at all, as the Tea Party is just the crazies in the Redumblicunt party.

Thread needs more use of the word "sheeple"

Are the different? Heck ya! YOu should pay more attention to the media. Romney is a tax dodging neocon momon corporate fascist and Obama is a muslim marxist socialist Kenyan.

^^^^Thanks for that summary. I bow to your infinite wisdom. But IMO, they are both fascists. Obummer is no socialist.

Originally Posted by nutcase

Are the different? Heck ya! YOu should pay more attention to the media. Romney is a tax dodging neocon momon corporate fascist and Obama is a muslim marxist socialist Kenyan.

Both are illegal aliens.