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Thread: Lance back in the news.
06-14-2012, 01:47 PM #51
With all the huge $ in cycling, there is no, "Our drugs are better."
They all have the same info, they all use the same shit. He may have been more careful to not get caught but hey, that's to his benefit.
I agree with the those that say, yes, they all doped. We're cleaning it up but the past is the past.
Let it go.
06-14-2012, 01:52 PM #52
The big teams had huge money. The little teams were often on shoe string budgets.
06-14-2012, 01:58 PM #53
and in other late breaking news, Florida recount show Gore beating Bush.Move upside and let the man go through...
06-14-2012, 02:02 PM #54
Actually, that's a great example to support my point. We can only hope that someday the history books will tell the truth that five members of the U. S. Supreme Court pulled a coup and installed their choice of president against the will of the electorate.
Or we can sweep the truth under the rug in the name of "getting over it."
06-14-2012, 02:33 PM #55
Christ, spend a percentage of the percentage of the percentage of this money on catching rapists and you might actually be doing something worthwhile.
This is just gotten comically stupid.
It's a fucking race, for God's sake. No one's dying here. Hell, 99.9999% of the world doesn't give a shit.
06-14-2012, 03:04 PM #56
at the very least alexandre vinikourov, joseba beloki ivan basso, jan ullrich, etc have all been implicated more severely than lance, and all have been suspended at some time or another for doping. yet, their names are still listed as 2nd and 3rd respectively all those years.
just saying... you can't really pull a guy's title and still recognize 2nd, 3rd, etc if those cats are just as guilty & in the wrong.
either the tour didn't exist for ~10 years (or realistically it didn't ever exist) or it did. either you tested positive (floyd) or you didn't. you can't go back and change the rules a decade later. lance didn't get caught. that does not mean its right, but you can't change the rules 10 years later and then hold someone accountable for rules that did not exist at the time.
06-14-2012, 03:16 PM #57
The discussion about who will appear in the record books is irrelevant or at least getting way ahead of the recent news. USADA has amassed evidence to support a claim of systemic doping and cover ups by the USPS team. The USADA's job is to proceed with a complaint if the evidence warrants it. USADA is just doing its job. USADA does not have the power to re-write the record books.
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06-14-2012, 03:23 PM #58
06-14-2012, 03:27 PM #59Registered User
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Doping doesn't level the playing field, it just changes who has the genetic advantage.
06-14-2012, 03:31 PM #60
06-14-2012, 03:32 PM #61
However, the "exploitation" of these athletes is what brings in money to the team /sponsors. They (the team) doesn't care, they just want as much performance as possible.
And yes "doping" has been pervasive throughout sport for a long time. Whether its EPO or amphetamines, "outside help" has been sought by many many people.
How much does Doping Help:
The effect of EPO
Climbing at 6watts/kilo- Doping?
06-14-2012, 03:45 PM #62
From America's Finest News Source: Lance Armstrong Wants To Tell Nation Something But Nation Has To Promise Not To Get Mad
06-14-2012, 10:19 PM #63
Yes, USADA is funded with your tax dollars, “74% from the federal government and 26% from the USOC” in 2009. But, the argument that USADA is somehow mismanaging or wasting those funds by investigating Lance Armstrong is logically incoherent. Their stated purpose is to preserve the integrity of competition. That is exactly what they are doing.
As much as I enjoyed watching Lance's domination of the TDF, I grew equally turned off by being lied to repeatedly by him.
06-15-2012, 12:01 AM #64
06-15-2012, 01:12 AM #65
06-15-2012, 07:33 AM #66
06-15-2012, 07:53 AM #67
That's pretty much the definition of a level playing field.
Thing is, I'm not a fan of LA. I think he's another arrogant asshole athlete with a god complex.
I just don't like witchhunts, which is exactly what this is. He got away with it. Deal with it.
Like I said before, no one got raped or killed. It was a bike race. Not really THAT important.
But he beat the governing bodies and they don't like it so they keep coming at him. It's gotten old.
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06-15-2012, 08:07 AM #68Registered User
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I've read every one fo those negative articles about Armstrong, because peopole here seem to have some kind of need to keep posting those links, and not one of them amounts to carp. The article about his PR machine just says he's got an aggressive PR operation. The one about Livestrong acgtually says that Livestrong focuses its efforts on helping patients and survivors rather than research. The claim that he uses the foundation to turn away criticism of his alleged doping is simply not supported by any examples of HIM doing so, it's other folks doing so. Some people just hate success, I guess, makes them feeel unsuccessful.
But the same crap comes up every time he is in the news. And he is always in the news because people feel som eneed to tear him down, despite the fact he is now a non-factor in cycling.
I agree we should be focused on tomorrow's race, not last year's.
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06-15-2012, 11:04 AM #69
It doesn't matter how, he won. And he still wins. He still gets up every day and crushes. He still toes up to the line at various types races and crushes. How many others do that? Does him clipping in at a tri hurt the pristine image of road cycling? No, it's stupid and they need to get on.
If he passed every single drug test he took while others did not you think there isn't someone along the line with some more bills in their pocket? Of course he wasn't clean for crying out loud, that's unpossible. Depends on who it is and what they can do to change the outcome of this present clusterfuck. And really whoever is pissing away the resources to chase this windmill needs to move on and focus on here, now and future.
06-15-2012, 11:09 AM #70
I'm just tired of hearing about Lance and that whole generation of american cyclists. Hopefully we get a new hero soon.
06-15-2012, 11:11 AM #71
At least Lance didn't out everyone on 60 minutes and start crying like a pobrecito.
06-15-2012, 11:13 AM #72
If I ever see Landis or Hamilton in a race I'm going to through a shoe in their general direction. Hopefully hit the spokes.
06-15-2012, 11:33 AM #73Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
06-15-2012, 11:40 AM #74
Busting the worlds most famous and successful (both in terms of his results, decades of non-detection and subsequent dubious business practices) doper would seem me to have great value as a deterrent.
Maybe as part of Lance's rehabilitation into the public's affections he will spend some of his yellow bracelet personal income on a program to protect/prevent young athletes from following in his footsteps?
06-15-2012, 11:56 AM #75
recollections change over time
evidence gets tainted,
bitnerness and grudges develop etc.
other than murder in a few states, almost every serious violent crime is 7-15 years.
class a felonies are 5-7 years or less (i.e. life in prison)
class b felonies are about 1 year give or take (i.e. 25 years in jail)
we are now entering the seventh? year since the LAST victory. are we arguing that the crimes lance likely committed are this serious and should have such extended statutes of limitations?