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Thread: Lance back in the news.
06-13-2012, 03:52 PM #1
Lance back in the news.
Interesting. Hope Lemond doesn't have a heart attack over this.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports...PaV_story.htmlLife is a lot like climbing: there isn't anything much more comforting than a good #2.
06-13-2012, 04:49 PM #2
Complete charges here:
http://online.wsj.com/public/resourc...arging0613.pdfTerje was right.
"We're all kooks to somebody else." -Shelby Menzel
06-13-2012, 04:55 PM #3
This is a bit rediculous at this point. Too much time has passed, and unless they are going to go after every american cyclist who won a race or stage in the last two to three decades they need to just stop.
I dunno, report says they have samples from 09/10 that shows blood manipulation. You would think that he at least rode that race clean, if not then I guess he has it coming......Visit my website. .....
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06-13-2012, 04:57 PM #4
Where Hamilton and Landis stripped of all wins? I mean, they are on record admitting to doping......Visit my website. .....
"a yin without a yang"
06-13-2012, 05:00 PM #5
06-13-2012, 05:19 PM #6
No doubt in my mind LA at least transfused blood. If he did, and/or took EPO, testosterone, HGH, etc. he was good enough at it to not EVER get caught. Suspicious results /=/ guilty
There needs to be some sort of statute of limitations. I don't see Eddie Merckz getting his awards yanked, and he's admitted to doping.Check Out Ullr's Mobile Avalanche Safety Tools for iOS and Android
06-13-2012, 05:27 PM #7STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
06-13-2012, 06:12 PM #8
Banned from Ironman France on June 24. All that training down the toilet, I'd be pissed.
06-13-2012, 06:16 PM #9
Seriously though, I'm not a Lance fan by any stretch, but I have a hard time seeing how this serves the sport in any way. I totally believe he was doping, but unless they want to just declare that no Tour result in the last 30 years was valid due to pervasive doping, I don't see the point.
06-13-2012, 06:24 PM #10Registered User
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06-13-2012, 06:38 PM #11All I know is that I don't know nothin'... and that's fine.
06-13-2012, 06:43 PM #12Life is a lot like climbing: there isn't anything much more comforting than a good #2.
06-13-2012, 06:54 PM #13
I watched the USA Pro Challenge in CO last year and the only cool part of it was just simply being there. It was fun to watch other people in the crowd, bike around to the spectating spot and drink some beer. Best part was watching all of the cops and team vans drive through the course before the bikers.
Basically, I didn't even give a shit about the riders coming through.
06-13-2012, 07:11 PM #14
I'm curious what sports you haven't given up on then, if any. My understanding of anti-doping measures is that the sports that appear to have the biggest problems with doping have that appearance because they are the sports that are the most active in fighting it. Not saying this applies to you, but I am getting tired of Americans who actively follow the NFL and NBA saying that cycling is a joke because of all the doping. You think there has been a football or basketball team that wasn't packed full of dopers over the last 25 years? Please. The only reason doping seems so problematic in baseball is that the sport was essentially pressured into addressing the problem when all their stars starting growing their heads and getting adult acne. I guarantee you that whenever the other major American sports get serious about fighting doping that it will make the doping problem in baseball seem like a joke.
Were cyclists doped to the gills for a generation? Absolutely. But at least now the sport has decided to own up to the problem and try to fix it. There simply is no consistent way to apply that fix to events that have already happened (ex: Armstrong's Tour wins). Does that mean that the anti-doping agencies should just start over and ignore what has happened over the last 10 years when evidence is everywhere that the sport's main protagonists were openly breaking the rules? I don't think so. Apparently folks in this thread think the sport should just callously throw out the record book from the last 30 years. That isn't a very thoughtful or respectful stance in my opinion.
06-13-2012, 07:13 PM #15Registered User
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The dude cheated and now he's been caught. What's the problem? This is exactly the type of thing that will clean up professional cycling.
The 2011 Tour and 2012 Giro were the best grand tours I've seen. The riders actually looked human and had bad days. I think the Contador suspension played a large part in this.
06-13-2012, 07:36 PM #16
Fuck his self-righteous lying ass.
At least we don't have to listen to the media coo-cooing over his Ironman efforts and maybe the stupid banner adds about "come to Kona to see Lance ect" will stop.
Lance fever took over the Xterra last year too, we could do without that as well.
Oh, and the mang's name is spelled MERCKX
06-13-2012, 07:43 PM #17
Maybe he had a little help or maybe he did not. Seven Tour wins would support that he did. I think it is good to fix previous issues if everything is clear cut, i.e. you know who did and did not partake in various methods of doping. Therein lies the issue. No one really knows who did or did not. Ullrich had issues with doping during that era and so did most of the prominent cyclist then and before. So someone should try to sort through to figure out who did not dope and award the "good" rider? I call bullshit. We should stop playing favorites and falsely believing that were not likely doping as well. And you can be 'roided up and still have a bad day. Just watch Riis try to defend his tour in 1997. Pantani lit him up on a climb though Pantani did eventually drop Ullrich as well.
If they were really that interested in cleaning up the sport when they made doping illegal they should have really tackled the issue then, not now. Yeah, screening was not all that effective then. If one tries hard enough today they can still be a step ahead of the screening. To some degree I think the whole charade just muddles what I like about cycling which is watching a the contenders go at it with a few pretenders keeping things interesting. This requires a somewhat level playing field which was eschewed towards those who doped then. Maybe that is not the case now and hope that is true.
06-13-2012, 07:46 PM #18
06-13-2012, 07:49 PM #19Life is a lot like climbing: there isn't anything much more comforting than a good #2.
06-13-2012, 07:58 PM #20Decent people shouldn't live here...they'd be happier somewhere else.
06-13-2012, 08:04 PM #21
A big doping "scandal" in the news, and just before the big Tour.... wow, how unusual...
06-13-2012, 08:13 PM #22
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for all my crimes of self defense
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