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Thread: Lance back in the news.
06-15-2012, 11:58 AM #76Registered User
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[QUOTE=PNWbrit;3666856]Busting the worlds most famous and successful (both in terms of his results, decades of non-detection and subsequent dubious business practices) doper would seem me to have great value as a deterrent.
Or maybe we could just move on and stop spending public money chasing him and focus on the future. His success did a hell of alot for professional cycling. Now a US sanctioning body is going to take it all away and we'll hear everything for the next decade about how they are both judge and jury and this is all guys who got caught trying to pull him down for a guarantee of immunity. you know he will go down swinging and make an effort to take everyone with him. And the sport is ripped down by every sports writer in the states and a fringe, niche sport I love is further diminished. Before him, the tour was a wide world of sports summary on a Sunday. Now I can watch every minute live. Cycling needs this turned off and the focus put on today. He can go run around in Aspen with his current girlfriend, his next mistress and send checks to the rest of his harem and herd.
06-15-2012, 12:06 PM #77
No doubt Armstrong would lawyer up very heavily to defend his brand's worth.
06-15-2012, 12:06 PM #78
Right, USADA is a sports sanctioning entity, not a criminal prosecutor.
Yeah, you tell 'em Canada1! And Barry Bonds and Jose Canseco did so much for baseball, too! Oh, and how about that Second Mile Foundation doing all that neat stuff for underprivileged kids?
Have those who advocate dropping the charges actually read the charging letter? Velo News aptly characterized the charging letter as "painting a dark picture of the Armstrong era." If USADA has the evidence to support the charges, how the hell can USADA not assert the charges?
06-15-2012, 12:18 PM #79
And yet in other news, ex-NASA employees claim the lunar landings were faked.Move upside and let the man go through...
06-15-2012, 12:19 PM #80
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06-15-2012, 01:04 PM #82
Some of the charges relate to activities as recent as 2010, i.e., less than 2 years ago. The letter gives no indication of the age of the testimony (of the "more than 10 witnesses") upon which the charges are premised. I would think that most of the testimony was obtained relatively recently, i.e., in the past 2 to 3 years. And, of course, if this matter goes to hearing, I would expect most of the witnesses to testify live.
Also, the charging letter alleges a systemic cover up. In the law, when someone engages in a cover up, any time limitations are deemed to toll (i.e., be suspended) until the discovery of the wrongdoing that was covered up.
Thinking as an attorney (which I do, having been one for 25 years), perhaps the better tactic would have been to exclude Lance Armstrong from this charging letter and go after Bruyneel and the 4 doctors. That would have disarmed the hero worshipers and lifted the clutter of publicity from the proceedings.
06-15-2012, 01:10 PM #83
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06-15-2012, 01:21 PM #85
direct quote from your article.
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06-15-2012, 01:44 PM #88
jan ullrich, marco pantani, and on and one do not have results altered, and have been busted much more obviously i.e. failed tests and direct evidence, and far closer in time to their glory.
to the best of my knowledge the only results altered ever in cycling were those that literally failed a test DURING the event.
06-15-2012, 01:50 PM #89
06-15-2012, 02:00 PM #90
yeah on the same page. i just think its goofy that every piece of news constantly refers to lance getting stripped, implying that it is both super likely and the right thing to do.
but what, exactly, is the USADA trying to accomplish here? prevent lance from racing in ironmans? or to just taint him in the eyes of public opinion? its not like anyone in their right mind thinks he was clean all those years. maybe they all get bonuses each time they catch someone.
i don't get it. they have a ton of testimony and no evidence....
all LA's legal team needs to do is dig up some random disagreement with each person testifying, which can't be hard b/c LA is a total prick, and say they have an axe to grind and point to the totally clean drug test results conducted day-in day-out for over a decade.
06-15-2012, 02:03 PM #91Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
06-15-2012, 02:04 PM #92
and who cares about all that action anyways, the NFL does not test for HGH.
who in their right minds think anyone in that league isn't on it? i mean look at those dudes. they make massive pumped up barry bonds and super-lance look like meth heads.
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06-15-2012, 02:17 PM #95Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
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06-15-2012, 02:26 PM #97
i just think it will be equally damaging to the USADA if they loose (they can't bust someone who so obviously doped), as if they win (they got a guy using super questionable methods that are not "legal", and thereby make a martyr out of him).
so yeah "have fun with that".
06-15-2012, 02:31 PM #98
Maybe Lance's people pushed for it knowing they can't prove it? See, I am and always was clean?
06-15-2012, 02:39 PM #99Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
06-15-2012, 02:46 PM #100
did i miss the page where they talked about pictures of lance shooting up or his setup at his home for transfusions? or the vials with fingerprints on them?
though, thinking about it closer, i bet they can get him on the conspiracy charges "using fear and intimidation for compliance" + "cover-up", at the very least.
slow day at the office