Thread: Super-sized sugar drink ban

Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on sugar-drink portions exceeding 16 ounces:
http://www.voanews.com/content/new-y...y/1145978.html
What next, portion-sizing red meat dinners?

Yes, I believe the concept is a good idea, but I could not support passing this legislation. It prevents businesses from competing on price/value. It would increase the volume of throw-away drink containers in the landfills. Etc., etc.


Does anyone out there believe that enacting this is a good idea?

I hate being told what I can or can't consume, but I also believe in personal responsibility. Maybe NYC has so many people on the public dole that they felt the need to intervene somehow. When people are dependent upon the machine, the machine will try to control them.

Terrible idea.

My sig quote says it all.

Can't get a Big Gulp of Coke? Walk ten feet and get a 40 oz of Old English.

There's the slippery slope in action.

First NYC banned Trans Fats, then they limit salt in restraunts, then they make restraunts post calorie counts on menus.......So far with NO measurable health benefits.

Now this waste of authoritarianism......

Imagine your life when Obamacare kicks in.

Our kids will have manditory morning exersize class. Manditory Veganism.....Oh, and forget about risky physical activities.

You think I'm kidding?

I just heard Bloomberg has Happy Hour as his next target.

No kidding.

Maybe someday, NYC will have daily mandatory calisthenics like the exercise scene in 1984.

Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw

Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on sugar-drink portions exceeding 16 ounces:
http://www.voanews.com/content/new-y...y/1145978.html
What next, portion-sizing red meat dinners?

Yes, I believe the concept is a good idea, but I could not support passing this legislation. It prevents businesses from competing on price/value. It would increase the volume of throw-away drink containers in the landfills. Etc., etc.


Does anyone out there believe that enacting this is a good idea?

it's awesome for business. now all the fatties who need 32oz half full of ice will buy 2 16oz half full of ice for a higher price. i always ask for small no ice. the machine keeps it plenty cold.

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Maybe someday, NYC will have daily mandatory calisthenics like the exercise scene in 1984.

Not just NYC. Obamacare gives Big Brother TOTAL control.....

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

I just heard Bloomberg has Happy Hour as his next target.

No kidding.

That's not new. Happy hour is illegal in MA.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

That's not new. Happy hour is illegal in MA.

Did Romney pass that one?

Good luck enforcing it. Vendors will simply sell the larger one as a "double". Doubtful they're going to run around checking out 7/11 purchases.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Did Romney pass that one?

Signed by Gov. Dukakis

Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw

Signed by Gov. Dukakis

City of Chicago too...no Happy Hour.

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

That's not new. Happy hour is illegal in MA.

they started cutting down on happy hour in New York State a decade ago.

now it's

The State Liquor Authority has determined that 2 for 1, half price and Happy Hour specials whereby the price of a drink is not lower than one-half of the premise's normal or regular price for the same drink does not constitute an attempt to circumvent, the intent and purpose of this statute.

some places used to have all you can drink specials

There's a viewpoint out there amongst some, that each seemingly innocuous or frivolous little regulation, law, or legislation actually has a greater significance than one might initially realize. Could be that each time TPTB enact some new and relatively-minor imposition, that there exists someone or someones that study the subsequent reaction to that imposition, and how the general public reacts to its emergence in their lives. Sort of a psychological case-study. The importance of which is then possibly utilized in the future to roll out even greater actions that effect the public's behavior and/or lifestyle. By learning from the subject's/public's reaction, you learn how to implement other things down the (time)line. Some call this the oft-mentioned "totalitarian tip-toe"..

The other thing that it does is that it conditions the subjects (Joe Q Public) to relinquishing a certain degree of responsibility and control over their own lives. They feel (think?) a greater hesitation to take control in actions in their own lives, and (instead) increasingly look to governmental "authority" for direction and "permission" to do things that were once done without forethought or with that same degree of a preconditioned mindset, characterized in times long past.

It's no secret the elite want to control the masses. They win, you lose. Zero-sum game, once again. There's tons and tons of literature ouit there on this, going back decades. There are a variety of ways and methodologies on how to go about doing this. Look up Bernaise's work some time.

Yeah, fuck yeah, call it conspiracy-theory all you want (you gatekeepers and enablers, you know who you are).

Originally Posted by boltonoutlaw

It would increase the volume of throw-away drink containers in the landfills. Etc., etc.

I've always heard the cost of the container the beverage comes in is often nearly as much, sometimes more, as the liquid being consumed. A while back I remember reading that the cost of a cup of coffee is like 50 cents, maybe less, if you take the container out of the equation.

Anyhow, back on topic, it's pathetic that people cannot self regulate themselves enough to stay relatively healthy. I wonder how other healthier countries approach this issue? Is it a cultural thing where American's think more/bigger=better or quantity over quality? I think so. As a result our healthcare system is overburdened by obese lazy people who sustain themselves on cheap shitty food and beverage. What's the answer? The free market doesn't seem to be doing a good job of taking care of this sort of thing...so then what is the answer? Regulating the size of beverages? Limiting fat content in foods? The FDA has all sorts of regulations on foods to protect the public welfare...is this similar? Maybe. Is NYC's ban going to drive down the cost of healthcare in NYC? Probably not...aren't most hospitals/healthcare providers regional or national conglomerates? Even though NYC is huge its a relative drop in the bucket.

Is this a good or bad thing? I don't know...is it necessary? Sadly, I think it is.

boltonoutlaw, do you live in NYC?

I bet DBT drinks 64oz'ers of Mountain Dew.

Originally Posted by machschnell

There's a viewpoint out there amongst some, that each seemingly innocuous or frivolous little regulation, law, or legislation actually has a greater significance than one might initially realize. Could be that each time TPTB enact some new and relatively-minor imposition, that there exists someone or someones that study the subsequent reaction to that imposition, and how the general public reacts to its emergence in their lives. Sort of a psychological case-study. The importance of which is then possibly utilized in the future to roll out even greater actions that effect the public's behavior and/or lifestyle. By learning from the subject's/public's reaction, you learn how to implement other things down the (time)line. Some call this the oft-mentioned "totalitarian tip-toe"..

The other thing that it does is that it conditions the subjects (Joe Q Public) to relinquishing a certain degree of responsibility and control over their own lives. They feel (think?) a greater hesitation to take control in actions in their own lives, and (instead) increasingly look to governmental "authority" for direction and "permission" to do things that were once done without forethought or with that same degree of a preconditioned mindset, characterized in times long past.

It's no secret the elite want to control the masses. They win, you lose. Zero-sum game, once again. There's tons and tons of literature ouit there on this, going back decades. There are a variety of ways and methodologies on how to go about doing this. Look up Bernaise's work some time.

Yeah, fuck yeah, call it conspiracy-theory all you want (you gatekeepers and enablers, you know who you are).

QFT^^^^^

...As Bloomberg celebrates National Doughnut Day with a Giant Size Doughnut in NYC.

I shit you not......

And that's how you know that Machschnell is right. It's not about health. It's about control.

Wake up lefties.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I've always heard the cost of the container the beverage comes in is often nearly as much, sometimes more, as the liquid being consumed...Is NYC's ban going to drive down the cost of healthcare in NYC...

boltonoutlaw, do you live in NYC?

No.
This bill won't pass (IMO), but if it did we'd see the "Whack-A-Mole" principle in effect: Any reduction (unlikely) in health care cost would be offset by the increased cost of regulation & enforcement.
No doubt the container is the bulk of the cost of a low-cost beverage. In many under-developed countries you pay more for take-away drinks than drinking them on premises.

This Bloomberg initiative is obvoiusly about portion-control, so why is it limited to sugared beverages only? As mentioned above, this is slippery-slope terrain.

It's largely symbolic, basically, hey, fatfuck with diabetes and ignorant parents, try something different. anti-Smoking initiatives have worked in reducing the number of smokers and awareness, maybe shaming the weak into better health choices isn't the end of the world. Everything else is in contraction, portion sizes should follow suit.

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

...Everything else is in contraction, portion sizes should follow suit.

Not everything is in contraction: Forensic Anthropologists Find American Heads are Getting Larger.
Link: http://www.utk.edu/tntoday/2012/05/3...etting-larger/

I thought New Yorkers were tough. Why do they keep voting for daddy Bloomberg? Sounds like the ultimate male nanny. Libs do love being told what to do huh? If he is so worried about sugar why not go after ketchup. Love to see how long it would take MA. Sen. Kerry to wade in on that one.

There has been lots of ridicule from all sides on this.