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Thread: Super-sized sugar drink ban
06-01-2012, 09:13 AM #1
Super-sized sugar drink ban
Mayor Bloomberg's proposed ban on sugar-drink portions exceeding 16 ounces:
What next, portion-sizing red meat dinners?
Yes, I believe the concept is a good idea, but I could not support passing this legislation. It prevents businesses from competing on price/value. It would increase the volume of throw-away drink containers in the landfills. Etc., etc.
Does anyone out there believe that enacting this is a good idea?
06-01-2012, 09:26 AM #2Lone Peak Jong
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I hate being told what I can or can't consume, but I also believe in personal responsibility. Maybe NYC has so many people on the public dole that they felt the need to intervene somehow. When people are dependent upon the machine, the machine will try to control them.
06-01-2012, 09:27 AM #3
Terrible idea.And if I should die of Small Pox, put my remains in my Snuffbox
06-01-2012, 09:28 AM #4
My sig quote says it all.
I agree it is a constitutional right for Americans to be assholes...its just too bad that so many take the opportunity...iscariot
06-01-2012, 09:38 AM #5
Can't get a Big Gulp of Coke? Walk ten feet and get a 40 oz of Old English.Nodafinga!
06-01-2012, 09:42 AM #6
There's the slippery slope in action.
First NYC banned Trans Fats, then they limit salt in restraunts, then they make restraunts post calorie counts on menus.......So far with NO measurable health benefits.
Now this waste of authoritarianism......
Imagine your life when Obamacare kicks in.
Our kids will have manditory morning exersize class. Manditory Veganism.....Oh, and forget about risky physical activities.
You think I'm kidding?I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
06-01-2012, 09:44 AM #7
I just heard Bloomberg has Happy Hour as his next target.
No kidding.I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
06-01-2012, 10:00 AM #8Lone Peak Jong
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Maybe someday, NYC will have daily mandatory calisthenics like the exercise scene in 1984.
06-01-2012, 10:09 AM #9"We sit together, the mountain and I, until only the mountain remains." -Li Po
06-01-2012, 10:25 AM #10I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
06-01-2012, 10:27 AM #11
06-01-2012, 10:28 AM #12I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
06-01-2012, 12:35 PM #13
Good luck enforcing it. Vendors will simply sell the larger one as a "double". Doubtful they're going to run around checking out 7/11 purchases.Silent....but shredly.
06-01-2012, 12:41 PM #14
06-01-2012, 12:48 PM #15
06-01-2012, 01:03 PM #16Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
06-01-2012, 01:14 PM #17
The State Liquor Authority has determined that 2 for 1, half price and Happy Hour specials whereby the price of a drink is not lower than one-half of the premise's normal or regular price for the same drink does not constitute an attempt to circumvent, the intent and purpose of this statute.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
06-01-2012, 01:22 PM #18
There's a viewpoint out there amongst some, that each seemingly innocuous or frivolous little regulation, law, or legislation actually has a greater significance than one might initially realize. Could be that each time TPTB enact some new and relatively-minor imposition, that there exists someone or someones that study the subsequent reaction to that imposition, and how the general public reacts to its emergence in their lives. Sort of a psychological case-study. The importance of which is then possibly utilized in the future to roll out even greater actions that effect the public's behavior and/or lifestyle. By learning from the subject's/public's reaction, you learn how to implement other things down the (time)line. Some call this the oft-mentioned "totalitarian tip-toe"..
The other thing that it does is that it conditions the subjects (Joe Q Public) to relinquishing a certain degree of responsibility and control over their own lives. They feel (think?) a greater hesitation to take control in actions in their own lives, and (instead) increasingly look to governmental "authority" for direction and "permission" to do things that were once done without forethought or with that same degree of a preconditioned mindset, characterized in times long past.
It's no secret the elite want to control the masses. They win, you lose. Zero-sum game, once again. There's tons and tons of literature ouit there on this, going back decades. There are a variety of ways and methodologies on how to go about doing this. Look up Bernaise's work some time.
Yeah, fuck yeah, call it conspiracy-theory all you want (you gatekeepers and enablers, you know who you are).
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06-01-2012, 01:40 PM #19
Anyhow, back on topic, it's pathetic that people cannot self regulate themselves enough to stay relatively healthy. I wonder how other healthier countries approach this issue? Is it a cultural thing where American's think more/bigger=better or quantity over quality? I think so. As a result our healthcare system is overburdened by obese lazy people who sustain themselves on cheap shitty food and beverage. What's the answer? The free market doesn't seem to be doing a good job of taking care of this sort of thing...so then what is the answer? Regulating the size of beverages? Limiting fat content in foods? The FDA has all sorts of regulations on foods to protect the public welfare...is this similar? Maybe. Is NYC's ban going to drive down the cost of healthcare in NYC? Probably not...aren't most hospitals/healthcare providers regional or national conglomerates? Even though NYC is huge its a relative drop in the bucket.
Is this a good or bad thing? I don't know...is it necessary? Sadly, I think it is.
boltonoutlaw, do you live in NYC?
I bet DBT drinks 64oz'ers of Mountain Dew.Damn shame, throwing away a perfectly good white boy like that
06-01-2012, 02:13 PM #20I've been to two state fairs and a goat fuck and never seen anything like this!!
06-01-2012, 02:15 PM #21
This bill won't pass (IMO), but if it did we'd see the "Whack-A-Mole" principle in effect: Any reduction (unlikely) in health care cost would be offset by the increased cost of regulation & enforcement.
No doubt the container is the bulk of the cost of a low-cost beverage. In many under-developed countries you pay more for take-away drinks than drinking them on premises.
This Bloomberg initiative is obvoiusly about portion-control, so why is it limited to sugared beverages only? As mentioned above, this is slippery-slope terrain.
06-01-2012, 02:24 PM #22
It's largely symbolic, basically, hey, fatfuck with diabetes and ignorant parents, try something different. anti-Smoking initiatives have worked in reducing the number of smokers and awareness, maybe shaming the weak into better health choices isn't the end of the world. Everything else is in contraction, portion sizes should follow suit.Silent....but shredly.
06-01-2012, 02:30 PM #23
06-01-2012, 04:44 PM #24
I thought New Yorkers were tough. Why do they keep voting for daddy Bloomberg? Sounds like the ultimate male nanny. Libs do love being told what to do huh? If he is so worried about sugar why not go after ketchup. Love to see how long it would take MA. Sen. Kerry to wade in on that one.
06-01-2012, 05:16 PM #25
There has been lots of ridicule from all sides on this.