Thread: Anyone have time on X-Fusion suspension?

I'm looking to update my fork this year on my Mojo HD.

The Vengeance HLR is looking pretty sweet. Nice reviews, 170-140 travel adjust sounds perfect, and the customer service is apparently legit.

Curious what peoples thoughts are. The Lyrik 170 and the new Dual Position Air are the other forks on my short list.

Rock and roll.

I don't like how the Vengeance is 10mm taller then both the Lyrik and Fox 36 at equivalent travel (Fox 36 is 545mm at 160mm, Lyrik is 555mm at 170mm, Vengeance is 565mm at 150mm). Of course, this is all assessed from the comfort of my armchair, no experience on one whatsoever. Here is marshal\\\'s review of the RC version Lev.

I'm much much more curious about the Velvet. It's the same axle to crown as my Pike, but much lighter. I'd love to hear how the sensitivity and stiffness compare to the Pike, a Fox 32 Float, and a Revelation.

Also, is X-Fusion's travel adjust system any good?

Also also, does anyone know the axle to crown length of the new Slant?

Nice man. I forgot about Marshall's review on those.

I'm also really interested in the XF Slant with the 34mm stanchions. But equally interested in the Velvet or whatever the one they currently make is - but that next gen model. If what you can sniff out on the internet is correct, the next generation 32mm forks (like the Velvet) and the 34mm (like the Slant) will have midvalves to further damp low speed fork compression. Very stoked to hear this. I think that's a huge bonus - and something most forks are super weak on.

With forks getting lighter and lighter, especially in the short travel models, the damping has become weaker and weaker. My old, like OLD, 130mm Vanilla RLC coil kicks the crap out of my brand new Kashima coat Float 140/130 RLC FIT in terms of low speed compression damping. Like orders of magnitude better. If I could run a through axle on the old fork, I'd run it in a second.

Also, FWIW, the Vengeance will not be sporting midvalve damping from what I've heard... it sounds like the damping adjustment range with the HLR damper, which provides low AND high speed damping adjust is pretty awesome.

It is like pulling teeth getting good info about the next gen XF forks, so I hope that the information I posted is correct...

Originally Posted by Dickeymotto

I don't like how the Vengeance is 10mm taller then both the Lyrik and Fox 36 at equivalent travel (Fox 36 is 545mm at 160mm, Lyrik is 555mm at 170mm, Vengeance is 565mm at 150mm). Of course, this is all assessed from the comfort of my armchair, no experience on one whatsoever. Here is marshal\\\'s review of the RC version Lev.

I'm much much more curious about the Velvet. It's the same axle to crown as my Pike, but much lighter. I'd love to hear how the sensitivity and stiffness compare to the Pike, a Fox 32 Float, and a Revelation.

Also, is X-Fusion's travel adjust system any good?

Also also, does anyone know the axle to crown length of the new Slant?

According to XFusion the Vengeance is 565mm at 170mm.
http://www.xfusionshox.com/en/produc...ance-hlr-dla#3

Originally Posted by Catch22

According to XFusion the Vengeance is 565mm at 170mm.
http://www.xfusionshox.com/en/produc...ance-hlr-dla#3

Ya I saw that. I think Dickey made a typo.

Yo B, how's that new build going? I was expecting updates. Guess I should check the knolly forums.

Its top notch stuff. I personally find it more supple than than anything else out there that I've tried (float and lyrik). Maybe not *quite* as refined on the compression damping but I never use much of that anyway. Tracks really *really* good and the new stuff feels even better than last year.

The atoc height should be damn near the same as a Lyrik too fwiw.

I had the 170 coil and really liked it. I couldn't quite get the feel I wanted because the stock spring was a little too soft and the firm one was a little too...firm. (I'm 190#) I now have the adjustable air fork and its an incredible fork. I've used a Lyrik (air and coil), Fox 36 (Van and Talas), Marzocchi 66 (air and coil) and the X Fusion so supple and smooth. It tracks the ground like no other fork I've used. I have it with 90# of pressure 3 clicks open on low speed compression and 8 on high speed compression. I don't go big (8-10' drops max) on my SB66 and have never bottomed out.

These are all good things I'm hearing. Guess it might be time to start shopping. A used Lyrik Coil will probably show up here in the classifieds before too long.

just for the record, the 2010-11 vengeance forks are measured and confirmed to be 5mm longer a2c than the equiv 55 and lyrik, not 10mm.

the new 2012 vengeance forks are 2mm shorter than lyrik.

i would put the dampening quality of the RC (cheaper) vengeance against the 55 rc3 and lyrik DH cart. not ridden the HLR cart. but the RC rode way sick.

Good timing on this thread as I'm about to pull the trigger on front and rear for the Tracer2. Running an RP23 currently and it def blows through it's travel pretty consistently on harder hits but is OK for the more pedal enduro riding. I'm thinking that the Vector Coil and Vengeance Coil 170 will be a pretty sweet setup. I've always been a fan of coil forks and will still have the RP23 for XC stuff. Pricing is a plus and they seem to really stand behind the product. Plus, Skijunky now runs it on his bikes so it MUST be good

just my .02 after riding all the below coil shocks last season:

avalanche, ccdb coil > vector hlr
vector hlr > rc4, vivid

all are way way better than a dhx5 or whatever of course, and price certainly matters

I posted a separate thread asking about the X Fusion O2 rear shock (air), but got no responses. I ordered an Ibis Mojo SL that is coming with that rear shock, so I guess I'll find out how well it works.

It's also coming with an X Fusion Velvet fork, but I have a Rock Shox Revelation that I'm going to install in its place, and sell the Velvet.

Originally Posted by marshalolson

just my .02 after riding all the below coil shocks last season:

avalanche, ccdb coil > vector hlr
vector hlr > rc4, vivid

all are way way better than a dhx5 or whatever of course, and price certainly matters

Any ride time on a Vengeance Coil?

Originally Posted by Catch22

According to XFusion the Vengeance is 565mm at 170mm.
http://www.xfusionshox.com/en/produc...ance-hlr-dla#3

That is what I meant to type. That is still 10mm taller then the equivalent Fox or Rockshox. Fox 36 180's are also 565mm, so I personally would take the extra 10mm of travel.

Originally Posted by marshalolson

just for the record, the 2010-11 vengeance forks are measured and confirmed to be 5mm longer a2c than the equiv 55 and lyrik, not 10mm.

the new 2012 vengeance forks are 2mm shorter than lyrik.

So are the spec's posted online incorrect then? According to their website's:
Lyrik 170mm = 555 mm
Vengeance 170mm = 565mm
Fox 36 170mm = 555mm
Fox 36 180mm = 565mm
Marzocchi 55 170mm = 556mm

yeah man, they are def not correct on their website. measured them in-person.

Originally Posted by ridevt

Any ride time on a Vengeance Coil?

never ridden their coil fork... i can't imagine its worse than the air shock though. their air forks *feels* like coil more than, say, a 55 micro ti vs. rc3 ti

Originally Posted by marshalolson

yeah man, they are def not correct on their website. measured them in-person.

Good to know.

Just pulled the trigger on a Vector Coil and Vengeance Coil 170. They should land next week before my trip to Hood River so I'll post up some thoughts after the trip!

Damn, nice Tim. Your Tracer's gonna ride just like a mini Slopestyle.

Originally Posted by Lev

and the customer service is apparently legit.

This is good news. As recently as last year I was encouraged by more than one industry buddy to avoid x-fusion, and what looked to be a bitchin fork, after lousy experiences in this department. I say do it.

So far I'm super impressed. Extremely plush out of the box, adjustments are audible and noticeable. Be warned if you're a heavier rider though, the stock coil is soft! I weigh 170 all geared up and it feels pretty dialed but I wouldn't want to be any heavier. Def found myself running more compression then past forks. Small bump performance is killer and I would say tracks as well as my 55RC3 TI that I took off. More to come, gotta go get some more laps in Post Canyon!

Originally Posted by marshalolson

just my .02 after riding all the below coil shocks last season:

avalanche, ccdb coil > vector hlr
vector hlr > rc4, vivid

all are way way better than a dhx5 or whatever of course, and price certainly matters

Hey Marshal-
Thanks for the perspective on this. I'm considering an XFusion for my Specialized Status and have some other options too (CCDB/DHX5.0/Rocco)...Given my position as a flatlander, this bike is very much a road trip bike, so I'm looking for something that will keep the status playful and fun and eat up the chunk too...without costing me lots of tuning runs while I'm on a trip.

Where did you find the XFusion fell short of the CCDB? I've got 5 years riding CCDB on a FR bike and Ive been riding AVY for about 4 months now, so I do have a good handle on the CCDB/tuning/handling etc.

I actually rode the low-end XFusion at Angelfire on a Status, and that is what has me looking at it. That rental Status jumped much better and was much more fun than my Delirium when attacking the same trails - I'm not sure how much of that was shock setup vs. linkage, and I really enjoyed the Status with that shock.

Thanks much for your time!

Selling a Vengeance coil:

http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...actory-rebuild

Originally Posted by character zero

Hey Marshal-
Thanks for the perspective on this. I'm considering an XFusion for my Specialized Status and have some other options too (CCDB/DHX5.0/Rocco)...Given my position as a flatlander, this bike is very much a road trip bike, so I'm looking for something that will keep the status playful and fun and eat up the chunk too...without costing me lots of tuning runs while I'm on a trip.

Where did you find the XFusion fell short of the CCDB? I've got 5 years riding CCDB on a FR bike and Ive been riding AVY for about 4 months now, so I do have a good handle on the CCDB/tuning/handling etc.

I actually rode the low-end XFusion at Angelfire on a Status, and that is what has me looking at it. That rental Status jumped much better and was much more fun than my Delirium when attacking the same trails - I'm not sure how much of that was shock setup vs. linkage, and I really enjoyed the Status with that shock.

Thanks much for your time!

+1 for any more input on CZ's questions. I am in the same boat.

CZ I have been looking at the avalanche chubby vs CCDB coil vs Vector coil for my 08 RFX. Why are you dumping the avalanche after only 4 months?

Dave