Thread: Show Me The Transcripts!

You guys all know I'm not at all a fan of the Pres, but I hate idiocy no matter what side it's on. This whole birther conspiracy is a complete non-issue no matter WHERE he was born!!! These retard birthers apparently don't understand US nationality law whatsoever.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ationality_law
http://travel.state.gov/law/citizens...ship_5199.html

Originally Posted by State Department

Birth Abroad to Two U.S. Citizen Parents in Wedlock
A child born abroad to two U.S. citizen parents acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under section 301(c) of the Immigration and Nationality Act (INA) provided that one of the parents had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions prior to the child’s birth. The child is considered to be born in wedlock if the child is the genetic issue of the married couple.

Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock
A child born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one alien parent acquires U.S. citizenship at birth under Section 301(g) of the INA provided the U.S. citizen parent was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for the time period required by the law applicable at the time of the child's birth. (For birth on or after November 14, 1986, a period of five years physical presence, two after the age of fourteen, is required. For birth between December 24, 1952 and November 13, 1986, a period of ten years, five after the age of fourteen, is required for physical presence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions to transmit U.S. citizenship to the child.) The U.S. citizen parent must be genetically related to the child to transmit U.S. citizenship.

Sounds like even IF he was born in Kenya, he would still qualify as a US citizen. Am I missing something here?

Now to the transcript issue. Under Federal law, college transcripts are considered confidential, and nobody is required to supply that for unofficial reasons. Most candidates are usually hesitant to supply those. Probably because their grades weren't so hot, just like both GW Bush AND John Kerry. Ends up that BOTH of them were C students. That being said, this is also pretty much a non-issue. People making a mountain out of a molehill, but then again, I guess that's just par for the course in politics.

Stick to the REAL issues, people. There is plenty of topical ammunition abound without having to resort to this stupid birther or transcript crap.

Originally Posted by AustinFromSA

Sounds like even IF he was born in Kenya, he would still qualify as a US citizen. Am I missing something here?

You are missing something. Being a citizen is not enought to be POTUS. You must be born here.

BUT -The birther issue isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Obama possibly lying his way into Occedental, Columbia and Harvard by claiming to be from Kenya on his application.

Yes, transcripts are private but an individual can choose to release them. If there is nothing to hide, why not just release them.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You are missing something. Being a citizen is not enought to be POTUS. You must be born here.

BUT -The birther issue isn't what I'm talking about. I'm talking about Obama possibly lying his way into Occedental, Columbia and Harvard by claiming to be from Kenya on his application.

Yes, transcripts are private but an individual can choose to release them. If there is nothing to hide, why not just release them.

Did you believe GB II didn't evade in country military service while holed up in the National Guard ?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Being a citizen is not enought to be POTUS. You must be born here.

That's, like, just your opinion.

Originally Posted by OSECS

Did you believe GB II didn't evade in country military service while holed up in the National Guard ?

Didn't he also go AWOL from the national guard for quite a while? Like two years or something?

Ahh the memories of Carl Rove...what to expect this election cycle? No swift boat for BO...and I think even Rove has said this birther business is tardo.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You are missing something. Being a citizen is not enought to be POTUS. You must be born here.

Are you sure about that?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural...citizen_clause

Section 1 of Article Two of the United States Constitution sets forth the eligibility requirements for serving as president of the United States:

No person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty-five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States...


"Status as a natural-born citizen of the United States is one of the eligibility requirements established in the United States Constitution for election to the office of President or Vice President. This requirement was an attempt to allay concerns that foreign aristocrats might immigrate to the new nation and use their wealth and influence to impose a monarchy.

The Constitution does not define the phrase natural-born citizen, and various opinions have been offered over time regarding its precise meaning. A 2011 Congressional Research Service report stated

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Didn't he also go AWOL from the national guard for quite a while? Like two years or something?

Well, this whole issue got Dan Rather fired, but I don't really know definitively if he did or didn't. I wouldn't be surprised either way.

How squeaky clean do we expect candidates to be ? Where is the cut off to what we as the voting public are privy to of a candidates past ?

AWOL would definitely DQ someone, IMO.

If BO did lie to those schools what do you do with the info? Like A of BC asked, are they gonna impeach him ? would it affect the upcoming election ?

As far as I'm concerned Barack Obama is an American citizen (no matter where on Earth he was born), because his mother was an American citizen. That may not satisfy Constitutional requirements however.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

You are missing something. Being a citizen is not enought to be POTUS. You must be born here.

Bwaaaahaaahaaa, you're an idiot.

Originally Posted by OSECS

That may not satisfy Constitutional requirements however.

See my above post #56. Obama seems to fulfill that requirement either way. Same with the transcripts. If a candidate chooses not to release them, it doesn't at all effect their eligibility to be president. Does it raise some questions? Perhaps, but in the end it doesn't matter. His staff probably just doesn't want America to see that his grades were as bad as GW's after all the smack talk about GW being "stupid." That's what happened to Kerry. He's a C student too? Woops!

Originally Posted by doughboyshredder

Bwaaaahaaahaaa, you're an idiot.

Hmmm. So Arnold Schwarzenegger or George Soros could be POTUS?

Any "Citizen" can be POTUS?

Who's the idiot?

Did I really need to type this....

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."

For you to know what "Born here" means?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Did I really need to type this....

Only if it would somehow help you understand what it actually means.
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Clearly it didn't.

Originally Posted by OSECS

Did you believe GB II didn't evade in country military service while holed up in the National Guard ?

I don't know. But the point would be that GB II's record on the subject was thouroughly douched by an agreesive media. The info got out and people could decide based on the facts.

Obama has NO HISTORY except for the history he designed himself in his books. I want to know who he claimed he was when he applied to college.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Only if it would somehow help you understand what it actually means.
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Clearly it didn't.

I guess McCain didn't qualify to be POTUS then being born on Panamanian soil.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I guess McCain didn't qualify to be POTUS then being born on Panamanian soil.

He was born on a US military base in Panama, not that it matters I believe.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I guess McCain didn't qualify to be POTUS then being born on Panamanian soil.

Read it again.

Originally Posted by OSECS

He was born on a US military base in Panama, not that it matters I believe.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Read it again.

I know, I'm talking about DDTs tardo claim that if you're not born on US soil you are not allowed to be POTUS.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

I want to know who he claimed he was when he applied to college.

A) When did Downbound Train stop beating his wife ? Unless Downbound Train gives me the exact date he stopped beating his wife that means he is stilling beating her and is guilty of domestic violence. See how easy that is ? That is the same sort of retorical trap you and your Birther-nutcase friends are trying to pull on Obama.

B) I am pretty sure my college transcripts do not have the location of my birth on them. So why did you title this thread "Show Me The Transcripts" ?

C) Oh, you meant to say "Show me his College Application". Again, I don't think I was asked for the location of my birth when I applied to college. Why would a private institution ask that, or even care ?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Hmmm. So Arnold Schwarzenegger or George Soros could be POTUS?

Any "Citizen" can be POTUS?

Who's the idiot?

Did I really need to type this....

The weight of legal and historical authority indicates that the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,” either by being born “in” the United States and under its jurisdiction, even those born to alien parents; by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents; or by being born in other situations meeting legal requirements for U.S. citizenship “at birth.” Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."

For you to know what "Born here" means?

You apparently didn't read your own post.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

"the term “natural born” citizen would mean a person who is entitled to U.S. citizenship “by birth” or “at birth,”...by being born abroad to U.S. citizen-parents...

The reason this would NOT include Arnie or Soros is because of the last part of your quote.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

"Such term, however, would not include a person who was not a U.S. citizen by birth or at birth, and who was thus born an “alien” required to go through the legal process of “naturalization” to become a U.S. citizen."

Arnold was born an Austrian citizen and had to be naturalized. George Soros was born in Hungary and had to be naturalized. If Obama WAS born in Kenya, due to his mom, he'd be born a US citizen even if born on foreign soil, and thus did NOT have to go through the naturalization process, thus being eligible to run for pres. But if he WAS born a Kenyan citizen, seems like that naturalization paperwork would have surely showed up by now. I highly doubt he had to be naturalized, and think it's a total waste of time to question his natural-born citizenship.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

I know, I'm talking about DDTs tardo claim that if you're not born on US soil you are not allowed to be POTUS.

Any property maintained/owned by the U.S. gov't anywhere in the world is considered U.S. soil. An embassy is considered U.S. soil even though the land may be leased for 99 years, I believe.

Originally Posted by OSECS

Any property maintained/owned by the U.S. gov't anywhere in the world is considered U.S. soil. An embassy is considered U.S. soil even though the land may be leased for 99 years, I believe.

Not necessarily.....

For instance a child of non-US parents born on a US military base or even in an embassy would have no claim to US citizenship based on the place of birth.

Originally Posted by OSECS

Any property maintained/owned by the U.S. gov't anywhere in the world is considered U.S. soil. An embassy is considered U.S. soil even though the land may be leased for 99 years, I believe.

"Considered" being the operative term there. If the US vacates it's base in Panama then the land would return to Panamanian control, thus it is not technically US soil...at any rate, we agree, I think...

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Not necessarily.....

For instance a child of non-US parents born on a US military base or even in an embassy would have no claim to US citizenship based on the place of birth.

Right, and military personel abroad are given different consideration. I wonder if there was an illegal alien couple in the military had a kid on a base abroad if that child would be a US Citizen?

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

"Considered" being the operative term there. If the US vacates it's base in Panama then the land would return to Panamanian control, thus it is not technically US soil...at any rate, we agree, I think...

You're making this more complicated than it needs to be...

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

You're making this more complicated than it needs to be...

Intentionally...

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

"Considered" being the operative term there. If the US vacates it's base in Panama then the land would return to Panamanian control, thus it is not technically US soil...at any rate, we agree, I think...

If your mom is on vacation in France and you are born prematurely, that doesn't make you a French citizen. I'm pretty sure you would still be a US citizen eligible to be POTUS. When I said "Born Here" I was making the distinction between citizens who are eleigible and citizens who are not...Like Arnold, who wasn't born here. I really didn't think you turds would require a fucking legal brief instead of the words "born here".

You origonally said this..."Sounds like even IF he was born in Kenya, he would still qualify as a US citizen. Am I missing something here?"

I guess it's possible to be born in Kenya and still be POTUS but not if you were a citizen of Kenya at that moment.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

Intentionally...

Anything to distract from the topic at hand. The topic being, Obama probably lied on his college applications to gain an advantage in financial aid and/or admission by claiming to be Kenyan.