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05-10-2012, 05:19 PM #1
Leica's New Full-frame B&W Camera
This feels like a gimmick to me, but maybe some of you can enlighten me to why I would spend $8k on this?
"Newly developed monochrome CCD sensor with a native resolution of 18 million pixels
100% sharper imaging thanks to direct processing of raw data with no interpolation
Extremely low, fine-grain image noise up to ISO 10,000
Raw data histogram and parameter clipping warning
Various tones programmable
Top cover and bottom plate in black chrome finish
New leatherette body covering
All-cowhide carrying strap
Nik Silver Efex Pro 2 software supplied in addition to Adobe Photoshop Lightroom
Exclusive access to the Leica Monochrom Print Service in cooperation with Whitewall
Original fiber barite print of a Magnum photo from the Leica M Monochrom campaign by J.A. Sobol supplied"
05-10-2012, 05:59 PM #2
All CCDs are, by definition, monochrome. To process color, a micro color filter array is placed over the CCD (or CMOS sensor, in some cameras).
As a result, the camera (or, if working from RAW files, your desktop software) needs to interpolate and average the color channels, and infer luminosity. This process results in color sensors have lower effective spatial resolution than monochrome for the same sensor resolution. Furthermore, the color filter array is filtering out large amounts of light to each pixel, resulting in reduced luminosity at the sensor. This makes the color sensor less sensitive and more noisy than a bare monochrome sensor.
The rest of the price and gimmickry is classic Leica branding, but the sensor claims are no joke. I've worked with plenty of pure mono CCD cameras for computer vision work, and it's amazing how much better they perform (particularly in low light or at high shutter speeds) if you don't need color for your application.
05-11-2012, 07:44 AM #3STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
05-11-2012, 09:32 AM #4This is the worst pain EVER!
05-11-2012, 10:13 AM #5What can brown do for u?
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CCD cameras are preferred over DSLRs for serious astrophotography due to the higher sensitivity and lower noise. With the extreme conditions of astrophotography I can understand it, but are we really hitting the sensitivity and noise limits on DSLRs today to make this a needed/worthy upgrade?Gallery
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05-11-2012, 10:41 AM #6
05-11-2012, 11:35 AM #7
If you are balking at $8k for a camera... you aren't the Leica market. A Leica lens (like, say, the new 50mmf2 @ $7.5k) will run you close to that new. Sweet cameras though.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-11-2012, 11:43 AM #8
05-11-2012, 12:25 PM #9
05-11-2012, 02:12 PM #10
Weird what that does to your brain after couple of days, you actually start to "see" in b&w..
But, have to say, would be interested to see some comparisons between some 5dmkIII/d800 + lightroom vs. the leica results. Like, would the results be big or non existent.
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
05-11-2012, 02:12 PM #11
find a room you video peeps
edit: meathelmet - out of camera results would be interesting, but there's still the smaller, lighter M9 packaging that it has as advantage.Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-11-2012, 02:45 PM #12
But too bad it prolly comes with the handling of the M6ish cameras that I personally never liked.
Do they have the vibe, yes! Are they low key cameras that you can operate stealthily, hell yes.
But would I personally choose some nikon fm2ish camera over it? Yep.
Still nice to see that leica has prolly found its niche in the evolving photo world that Kodak so badly missed. Old reputation and feel repackaged in some cool stuff.
Might be that it is other Leicas departments keeping the camera branch afloat, but still.
What I dont get how the fuck is hasselblad still in the biz.. Superb quality but with such extraordinary prices that..whoa. Hell, you can get a big Red package with the same price..
Very,very,Very few pros nowadays even consider their stuff. /hijack
The floggings will continue until morale improves.
05-11-2012, 05:00 PM #13STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
05-12-2012, 11:38 AM #14
05-12-2012, 12:19 PM #15STRAVA: Enabling dorks everywhere to get trails shut down........ all for the sake of a race on the internet.
05-12-2012, 10:06 PM #16
In stupid news, 2.8 million US for a Leica:
http://www.westlicht-auction.com/ind...=246522&lang=3Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-12-2012, 11:48 PM #17
05-13-2012, 12:28 PM #18
aren't most of the larger sensor video cameras single sensor? (Red, 9000PL, digbolex, etc. can't think of one that's not) it's the smaller 2/3" range that are all 3 sensor
mh - isn't MF pretty much dead these days? even the Leica S-series?Lord King of the Beater-Kooks
05-13-2012, 12:43 PM #19
Professional ENG = 3 chip cameras. Most adjustments are manually adjusted (Focus, Aperture, White Balance, Shutter.) Emphasis is on minimal post production processing due to time constraints. Much more forgiving, larger DoF due to sensor size, balance on the shoulder, good built-in audio capture, solid capture formats, bulletproof... easy to operate alone.
Professional "Film" production cameras = mostly single sensor CMOS now - replicate 24p film look better, nearly all functions manually adjusted or changed in post, larger sensors, smaller DoF, more critical focus, internal audio capture for reference only (in most cases,) internal capture formats glitchy, but externally tethered drives pretty much universal... much harder to operate alone.
Prosumer/Amateur: Mixed bag. Some single sensor DSLR based cameras which operate similarly to the above, many more single or triple sensor dedicated video cameras where everything is usually automatically adjusted by the camera.
05-13-2012, 12:43 PM #20
Now is that a sensor that dictates that a splitting prism be used just because it's CCD? (honest question)
I know I'll quit caring once some good global shutter CMOS cameras get released.
edit: ^^^^what tipp said
05-14-2012, 09:26 AM #21
Why Leicas are so damn expensive...