Thread: 10 Commandents

Originally Posted by Jer

Actually, I think Mormons are cool too.

That's how I got my start here.

You parents are Mormons?

No, he married one at the tender age of 12 and is wife #5

By "here" I mean TGR.

Moe - you are improving. Keep it up weakling.

302. Remuneration is the most important means for achieving justice in work relationships.[659] The “just wage is the legitimate fruit of work”.[660]

They commit grave injustice who refuse to pay a just wage or who do not give it in due time and in proportion to the work done (cf. Lv 19:13; Dt 24:14-15; Jas 5:4). A salary is the instrument that permits the labourer to gain access to the goods of the earth. “Remuneration for labour is to be such that man may be furnished the means to cultivate worthily his own material, social, cultural, and spiritual life and that of his dependents, in view of the function and productiveness of each one, the conditions of the factory or workshop, and the common good”.[661] The simple agreement between employee and employer with regard to the amount of pay to be received is not sufficient for the agreed-upon salary to qualify as a “just wage”, because a just wage “must not be below the level of subsistence”[662] of the worker: natural justice precedes and is above the freedom of the contract.

303. The economic well-being of a country is not measured exclusively by the quantity of goods it produces but also by taking into account the manner in which they are produced and the level of equity in the distribution of income, which should allow everyone access to what is necessary for their personal development and perfection. An equitable distribution of income is to be sought on the basis of criteria not merely of commutative justice but also of social justice that is, considering, beyond the objective value of the work rendered, the human dignity of the subjects who perform it. Authentic economic well-being is pursued also by means of suitable social policies for the redistribution of income which, taking general conditions into account, look at merit as well as at the need of each citizen.

c. The right to strike

304. The Church's social doctrine recognizes the legitimacy of striking “when it cannot be avoided, or at least when it is necessary to obtain a proportionate benefit”,[663] when every other method for the resolution of disputes has been ineffectual.[664] Striking, one of the most difficult victories won by labour union associations, may be defined as the collective and concerted refusal on the part of workers to continue rendering their services, for the purpose of obtaining by means of such pressure exerted on their employers, the State or on public opinion either better working conditions or an improvement in their social status. Striking “as a kind of ultimatum” [665] must always be a peaceful method for making demands and fighting for one's rights; it becomes “morally unacceptable when accompanied by violence, or when objectives are included that are not directly linked to working conditions or are contrary to the common good”.[666]

VI. SOLIDARITY AMONG WORKERS

a. The importance of unions

305. The Magisterium recognizes the fundamental role played by labour unions, whose existence is connected with the right to form associations or unions to defend the vital interests of workers employed in the various professions. Unions “grew up from the struggle of the workers — workers in general but especially the industrial workers — to protect their just rights vis-à-vis the entrepreneurs and the owners of the means of production”.[667] Such organizations, while pursuing their specific purpose with regard to the common good, are a positive influence for social order and solidarity, and are therefore an indispensable element of social life. The recognition of workers' rights has always been a difficult problem to resolve because this recognition takes place within complex historical and institutional processes, and still today it remains incomplete. This makes the practice of authentic solidarity among workers more fitting and necessary than ever.

306. The Church's social doctrine teaches that relations within the world of work must be marked by cooperation: hatred and attempts to eliminate the other are completely unacceptable. This is also the case because in every social system both “labour” and “capital” represent indispensable components of the process of production. In light of this understanding, the Church's social doctrine “does not hold that unions are no more than a reflection of the ‘class' structure of society and that they are a mouthpiece for a class struggle which inevitably governs social life”.[668] Properly speaking, unions are promoters of the struggle for social justice, for the rights of workers in their particular professions: “This struggle should be seen as a normal endeavour ‘for' the just good ... not a struggle ‘against' others”.[669] Being first of all instruments of solidarity and justice, unions may not misuse the tools of contention; because of what they are called to do, they must overcome the temptation of believing that all workers should be union-members, they must be capable of self-regulation and be able to evaluate the consequences that their decisions will have on the common good.[670]

307. Beyond their function of defending and vindicating, unions have the duty of acting as representatives working for “the proper arrangement of economic life” and of educating the social consciences of workers so that they will feel that they have an active role, according to their proper capacities and aptitudes, in the whole task of economic and social development and in the attainment of the universal common good.[671] Unions and other forms of labour associations are to work in cooperation with other social entities and are to take an interest in the management of public matters. Union organizations have the duty to exercise influence in the political arena, making it duly sensitive to labour problems and helping it to work so that workers' rights are respected. Unions do not, however, have the character of “political parties” struggling for power, and they should not be forced to submit to the decisions of political parties nor be too closely linked to them. “In such a situation they easily lose contact with their specific role, which is to secure the just rights of workers within the framework of the common good of the whole of society; instead they become an instrument used for other purposes”.[672]

Why do Cons hate god so much? Jesus was pro union.

CHAPTER SEVEN

ECONOMIC LIFE

I. BIBLICAL ASPECTS

a. Man, poverty and riches

323. In the Old Testament a twofold attitude towards economic goods and riches is found. On one hand, an attitude of appreciation sees the availability of material goods as necessary for life. Abundance — not wealth or luxury — is sometimes seen as a blessing from God. In Wisdom Literature, poverty is described as a negative consequence of idleness and of a lack of industriousness (cf. Prov 10:4), but also as a natural fact (cf. Prov 22:2). On the other hand, economic goods and riches are not in themselves condemned so much as their misuse. The prophetic tradition condemns fraud, usury, exploitation and gross injustice, especially when directed against the poor (cf. Is 58:3-11; Jer 7:4-7; Hos 4:1-2; Am 2:6-7; Mic 2:1-2). This tradition, however, although looking upon the poverty of the oppressed, the weak and the indigent as an evil, also sees in the condition of poverty a symbol of the human situation before God, from whom comes every good as a gift to be administered and shared.

b. Wealth exists to be shared

328. Goods, even when legitimately owned, always have a universal destination; any type of improper accumulation is immoral, because it openly contradicts the universal destination assigned to all goods by the Creator. Christian salvation is an integral liberation of man, which means being freed not only from need but also in respect to possessions. “For the love of money is the root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith” (1 Tim 6:10).

355. Tax revenues and public spending take on crucial economic importance for every civil and political community. The goal to be sought is public financing that is itself capable of becoming an instrument of development and solidarity. Just, efficient and effective public financing will have very positive effects on the economy, because it will encourage employment growth and sustain business and non-profit activities and help to increase the credibility of the State as the guarantor of systems of social insurance and protection that are designed above all to protect the weakest members of society.

I'm a big wrath of the Lamb man myself.

Moe worships Catholic Communists.

What a weird fucker.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Moe worships Catholic Communists.

What a weird fucker.

DDB is frightened and easily confused by anything outside his small flat paranoid world that he can't understand. It also explains his inability to spell Commandments in the thread title. DDB running hard and getting nowhere on the track of life.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Moe worships Catholic Communists.

What a weird fucker.

I wasn't a slut jumping from one RC idiot to another like you. Newt....Santorum......you have no principles whatsoever. The bright torch of freedom and righteousness you think you carry is a dim bulb of lies and distortions fueled by fear and ignorance in a tiny space you fill where even the weakest light source appears bright as it reflects off the walls closing in around you. Every labored breath you take sucks the oxygen out of that tiny shrinking space you live in starving your walnut sized brain and eventually snuffing out that torch. Enjoy the true darkness in that suffocating little cave of existence.

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

I wasn't a slut jumping from one RC idiot to another like you. Newt....Santorum......you have no principles whatsoever. The bright torch of freedom and righteousness you think you carry is a dim bulb of lies and distortions fueled by fear and ignorance in a tiny space you fill where even the weakest light source appears bright as it reflects off the walls closing in around you. Every labored breath you take sucks the oxygen out of that tiny shrinking space you live in starving your walnut sized brain and eventually snuffing out that torch. Enjoy the true darkness in that suffocating little cave of existence.

The enlightened communist. You are so superior. Marx, Obama and Catholic university communists = Good.

You are a regular genius.

I know, I know. Your communists will do it right this time. History has heard it all before.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Christians drove the anti slave movement. MLK and other Christians of all races drove the civil rights movement...........

Ironic that an agnostic drove the freedom of religion movement, which has somehow become a Christian nation movement.

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

I wasn't a slut jumping from one RC idiot to another like you. Newt....Santorum......you have no principles whatsoever. The bright torch of freedom and righteousness you think you carry is a dim bulb of lies and distortions fueled by fear and ignorance in a tiny space you fill where even the weakest light source appears bright as it reflects off the walls closing in around you. Every labored breath you take sucks the oxygen out of that tiny shrinking space you live in starving your walnut sized brain and eventually snuffing out that torch. Enjoy the true darkness in that suffocating little cave of existence.

yeah that sums up what I think of DBT's existence pretty nicely. Well put.

...and yet you guys still respond to his tired ditribes. Ignore the attention whore and he will eventually go away.

Originally Posted by hutash

...and yet you guys still respond to his tired ditribes. Ignore the attention whore and he will eventually go away.

That pitch is getting pretty old. It is also, obviously, quite ineffective.

A good sales person would change his strategy.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

So.

The Clintons used astrology?

See?

Moran.

See what exactly? That youre a huge homer that gets offended vilifies the other side when they do the exact same thing you do?

Yes, every day

Be specific.

About the Clintons and Astrology.

I'm laughing to hard at you to be offended by you....

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

Be specific.

About the Clintons and Astrology.

I'm laughing to hard at you to be offended by you....

???

you mentioned the clintons and astrology, not me

but you did get offended by billary, right after doing the exact same thing

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

but you did get offended by billary

You have a vivid imagination.

Originally Posted by hutash

...and yet you guys still respond to his tired ditribes. Ignore the attention whore and he will eventually go away.

Only because we actually like him, he plays the villain role, without him its a bunch of people who all generally agree with each other taking about nothing.

I like the exposure to the crack pot fringe who somehow became 10% of this great nation, its tough to actually figure out in any real sense where some of their ideas come from and DBT to some small degree helps illuminate their narrative.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

OK, so lets wrap this up. Just so I'm clear.

I was curious what you guys thought about stealling and coveting. I have learned that Every comandment has at least one loophole so depending on your own moral compass, none of them are "sins".

Specifically.....Stealling and Coveting are good. Got it.

I can certainly see why the left needs to undermine religion.
Stealing and coveting (cornerstones of the liberal aganda) don't go well with the Big Man's big rules at all.

What an attempting-to-be-manipulative ass you are, DBT. How about those corporations that kill people and suck the life out of them in low paying jobs while the CEOs reap billions in salaries and bonuses, poisoning our food and water, killing people by refusing medical care because they don't have the money to pay for life saving procedures, selling bogus investments that cause people to lose their homes? BigPharma getting people strung out on drugs and making billions getting people addicted to drugs that kill? How about the part where Jesus threw the money traders out of the temple, Mr. Self Righteous?

You and your conservative faux religious delusional sense of logic are the biggest crock of shit on this forum.

Originally Posted by PNWbrit

You have a vivid imagination.

Right. Like when I imagined that you had said something about the clinton's and astrology

Oh wait, that was you

Originally Posted by splat

What an attempting-to-be-manipulative ass you are, DBT. How about those corporations that kill people and suck the life out of them in low paying jobs while the CEOs reap billions in salaries and bonuses, poisoning our food and water, killing people by refusing medical care because they don't have the money to pay for life saving procedures, selling bogus investments that cause people to lose their homes? BigPharma getting people strung out on drugs and making billions getting people addicted to drugs that kill? How about the part where Jesus threw the money traders out of the temple, Mr. Self Righteous?

You and your conservative faux religious delusional sense of logic are the biggest crock of shit on this forum.

You really need to start calling him a fuctard. That'll teach him!

Originally Posted by ArmadaBC

Only because we actually like him, he plays the villain role, without him its a bunch of people who all generally agree with each other taking about nothing.

I like the exposure to the crack pot fringe who somehow became 10% of this great nation, its tough to actually figure out in any real sense where some of their ideas come from and DBT to some small degree helps illuminate their narrative.

ABC making sense as usual. Admit it, without guys like DBT and ilikecandy this place would be kinda dull - just a circlejerk of mostly well reasoned discussion. Who would want that? We need an enemy, and DBT and a few others bravely step up to the plate time and time again. Their batting average may be .000 but you gotta admire the tenacity, sort of.