Thread: "Every day, collection systems at the NSA intercept and store 1.7 billion e-mails,

phone calls and other types of communications"

Note, too, how this weapon has been not just maintained, but — as Binney said — aggressively expanded under President Obama. Obama’s unprecedented war on whistleblowing has been, in large part, designed to shield from the American public any knowledge of just how invasive this Surveillance State has become. Two Obama-loyal Democratic Senators — Ron Wyden of Oregon and Mark Udall of Colorado — have spent two full years warning that the Obama administration is “interpreting” its spying powers under the Patriot Act in ways so “twisted” and broad that it would shock the American public if it learned of what was being done, and have even been accusing the DOJ and Attorney General Holder of actively misleading the public in material ways about its spying powers"

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/21/e_2/singleton/

Obama is the worst on this shit, 1000's of times worse the Bush. Bush was too dumb in the sense that he actually said what he believed in. Barry sold dumb asses an idea and then promptly did what every other politician does when the get the big chair at dinner, fuck people over.

Most people think this system is somehow based on freedom or the people or other dumb shit like that and it maybe was 100 years ago. Now however the system revolves around 1 thing and that's keeping the current power structure in place. They give the the people two choices every four years, the two randoms that are 99.9% similar in all areas that are of any actual importance and they take bullshit issues like gay marriage, abortion, gun control and raising taxes 1/4 of a percent and blow that shit up so dumb asses endlessly argue with each other over shit that has zero fucking impact on their lives. All so that the number of people who actually get what the fuck is going on is never strong enough to change the system as a whole.

This forum is like a fucking shining beacon of this kind of shit, endless argument over who's team stuck in up your ass less....Barry used lube!!! Meanwhile they lie with straight faces as they send 100 thousand kids to some fuckstain desert to chase the boogeyman so a couple thousand people can get fantastically rich. Never mind that the land of freedom is totally dominated by fear, a populace armed to the fucking teeth, a war machine that is larger and better funded than the rest of the world combined, a police force to protect and serve that makes the SS jealous all fighting shit that only exists in our minds.

And then this tool, this wonderful tool, showed up and because they were stupid they didn't get it right away but then some smart people figured out everything a gov't would ever want to know about its people is sitting right out there all in little 0&1's. So they started collecting it and now they face the problem of too much info, rest assured that won't take long. Meanwhile our stupid fuck faces are too busy arguing about when life starts or who gets birth control and in what circumstances.

In the people vs Gov't battle we lost, we lost a long fucking time ago when we decided feeling morally superior to others was the ultimate goal. No worries though I'm sure when the war is over, you know the one in which we haven't been attacked in 11 years, they will just turn this shit off. I mean groups in power throughout history always voluntarily give up mind boggling amounts of power....right ?

I thought Armada's rant was worth a bump so..... bump

Originally Posted by Bunion

I thought Armada's rant was worth a bump so..... bump

Citizens(and the corporations they form) - Local Governments - State govts - Federal govt - Int'l Authority

You are on here consistently arguing to move power to the right on that line. Congrats, this is your utopia.

http://www.salon.com/2012/04/26/obam...ana/singleton/

"Aside from the fact that Obama’s claim about the law is outright false — as Jon Walker conclusively documents, the law vests the Executive Branch with precisely the discretion he falsely claims he does not have to decide how drugs are classified — it’s just extraordinary that Obama is affirming the “principle” that he can’t have the DOJ “turn the othe way” in the face of lawbreaking. "

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...ecret-20120416

'When it comes to signature strikes, say insiders, the decision to launch a drone assault is essentially an odds game: If the agency thinks it's likely that the group of individuals are insurgents, it will take the shot.

"From the perspective of Pakistani law, we probably committed a murder," says the former CIA official. "We commit espionage every day, breaking the laws of other countries." To absolve itself in the most sensitive strikes, the CIA has become skilled at using lawyers to cover its tracks. "They use paper when it is going to help them," says the former official. "Or they get on the secure phone. Or they get in an elevator casually with a lawyer and ask for his advice, like, 'There's nothing preventing me from destroying those tapes, is there?'"

At a human rights seminar at Columbia University last summer, John Radsan, a former attorney for the CIA, admitted that the agency has no interest in debating the legal niceties of drone strikes. "The CIA is laughing at you guys," he told the assembled human rights lawyers. "You're worried about international law, and the CIA is laughing."

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

Citizens(and the corporations they form) - Local Governments - State govts - Federal govt - Int'l Authority

You are on here consistently arguing to move power to the right on that line. Congrats, this is your utopia.

Really now? Can you provide any examples?

Originally Posted by Bunion

Really now? Can you provide any examples?

The problem is you post 100 throwaway nonsense posts for every 1 with any content, its pretty hard to sort though. Just take my word on it, i'm an excellent observer

Originally Posted by ArmadaBC

Obama is the worst on this shit, 1000's of times worse the Bush. Bush was too dumb in the sense that he actually said what he believed in. Barry sold dumb asses an idea and then promptly did what every other politician does when the get the big chair at dinner, fuck people over.

Most people think this system is somehow based on freedom or the people or other dumb shit like that and it maybe was 100 years ago. Now however the system revolves around 1 thing and that's keeping the current power structure in place. They give the the people two choices every four years, the two randoms that are 99.9% similar in all areas that are of any actual importance and they take bullshit issues like gay marriage, abortion, gun control and raising taxes 1/4 of a percent and blow that shit up so dumb asses endlessly argue with each other over shit that has zero fucking impact on their lives. All so that the number of people who actually get what the fuck is going on is never strong enough to change the system as a whole.

This forum is like a fucking shining beacon of this kind of shit, endless argument over who's team stuck in up your ass less....Barry used lube!!! Meanwhile they lie with straight faces as they send 100 thousand kids to some fuckstain desert to chase the boogeyman so a couple thousand people can get fantastically rich. Never mind that the land of freedom is totally dominated by fear, a populace armed to the fucking teeth, a war machine that is larger and better funded than the rest of the world combined, a police force to protect and serve that makes the SS jealous all fighting shit that only exists in our minds.

And then this tool, this wonderful tool, showed up and because they were stupid they didn't get it right away but then some smart people figured out everything a gov't would ever want to know about its people is sitting right out there all in little 0&1's. So they started collecting it and now they face the problem of too much info, rest assured that won't take long. Meanwhile our stupid fuck faces are too busy arguing about when life starts or who gets birth control and in what circumstances.

In the people vs Gov't battle we lost, we lost a long fucking time ago when we decided feeling morally superior to others was the ultimate goal. No worries though I'm sure when the war is over, you know the one in which we haven't been attacked in 11 years, they will just turn this shit off. I mean groups in power throughout history always voluntarily give up mind boggling amounts of power....right ?

Bumped again!

Armada nails it. That "rant" (ha-ha) is the essence of the battle, folks.

It isn't so much about left vs right as it is about citizens vs their corrupted government. The distractions Armada mentions are given disproportionate politico and media attention for the very goal that they seek; (which is) to cause the public to lose focus on what is really being fought for here, relative freedom itself. So go ahead and play the partisan game, and then fall hook, line, and sinker into the wedge-division ploy.

The hard part is getting Joe Six Pack to see the big picture at work (on the horizon) - that he's being easily manipulated by the unseen strings of the puppeteers into doing their bidding - all without his cognisance. By simply not seeing the Emporer(s) for what he/they is/are.

Americans get the democracy/REPUBLIC they deserve. Rigged elections, a shockingly corporate-controlled media, and a huge host of hyped-up distractions utilized by TPTB to cause a dumbed-down populace to lose (over time) what its (once fed-up) Founding Fathers and succeeding generations fought and died for over a few centuries worth of focused and bloody vigilance...

Is this the generation(s) that lets it all fade away into duped-acquiesance?

[Off soapbox .. Now back to your regularly-scheduled left vs right ad hominems ... as you were.]

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

The problem is you post 100 throwaway nonsense posts for every 1 with any content, its pretty hard to sort though. Just take my word on it, i'm an excellent observer

Just modeling myself after you and DBT.

As for your excellent observer skills, uh yeah dude, whatever.

I would post in this thread, but since the government is monitoring and saving this, I won't.

Originally Posted by machschnell

Bumped again!

Armada nails it. That "rant" (ha-ha) is the essence of the battle, folks.

It isn't so much about left vs right as it is about citizens vs their corrupted government. The distractions Armada mentions are given disproportionate politico and media attention for the very goal that they seek; (which is) to cause the public to lose focus on what is really being fought for here, relative freedom itself. So go ahead and play the partisan game, and then fall hook, line, and sinker into the wedge-division ploy.

The hard part is getting Joe Six Pack to see the big picture at work (on the horizon) - that he's being easily manipulated by the unseen strings of the puppeteers into doing their bidding - all without his cognisance. By simply not seeing the Emporer(s) for what he/they is/are.

Americans get the democracy/REPUBLIC they deserve. Rigged elections, a shockingly corporate-controlled media, and a huge host of hyped-up distractions utilized by TPTB to cause a dumbed-down populace to lose (over time) what its (once fed-up) Founding Fathers and succeeding generations fought and died for over a few centuries worth of focused and bloody vigilance...

Is this the generation(s) that lets it all fade away into duped-acquiesance?

[Off soapbox .. Now back to your regularly-scheduled left vs right ad hominems ... as you were.]

No, it was "the greatest generation" that chose "security" over freedom. And "corrupted government" is redundant

I thought Armada's rant was worth a bump so..... bump

Word. Did I just agree with bunion? Yes, 100%