Thread: Yet another poor oppressed teacher!

Originally Posted by OSECS

Teachers make $50-70k and work 8 months a year. Most private sector people earning that work 11 months or more a year to earn that.

Parental involvement trumps class size.

agree parental involvement is king but i don't know how we can effectively change that and neither do you or would be famous and or rich for saving the education system in america. class sizes, however, are easily changeable (with more money).

you also only make the 70k that everyone keeps quoting if you have a ph.d or masters +x amount of hours. if you choose to only get your bachelors (which isn't even an option in some states) you top out at $46,451 in jeffco public schools after 25 years. good luck paying off your college debt w/ that.

actually summer is only two months long not three. we dont' get out til after the kids and we come back two weeks before them. many of us attend professional development at some point during the summer as well.

plus, no teacher is pulling in that 70k for more than a few years at the very tail end of their career. with your masters and 10 years experience in jeffco you're making 55k which is a far cry from 70

Originally Posted by nobueno

plus, no teacher is pulling in that 70k for more than a few years at the very tail end of their career. with your masters and 10 years experience in jeffco you're making 55k which is a far cry from 70

I bow to your personal experience. Yeah good points about the salaries and when you make that kind if cash. Masters are required in Va. For teaching I believe. I'm in the college school session mind set now so yeah, summer is more like 2 months considering you go back a week or two before the kids return in fall

Yeah, parental involvement is the 800lb gorilla, but hiring more teachers isnt going to solve the inner
city school issues or any school district where kids, culturally just don't value education and their parents don't force the issue. We have over crowding in our local schools now so there's no room for more teachers cause there aren't enough class rooms, but still manage to have pretty good school graduation rates and college acceptance levels. That's good teaching and an involved parental component.

Originally Posted by OSECS

I bow to your personal experience. Yeah good points about the salaries and when you make that kind if cash. Masters are required in Va. For teaching I believe. I'm in the college school session mind set now so yeah, summer is more like 2 months considering you go back a week or two before the kids return in fall

Yeah, parental involvement is the 800lb gorilla, but hiring more teachers isnt going to solve the inner
city school issues or any school district where kids, culturally just don't value education and their parents don't force the issue. We have over crowding in our local schools now so there's no room for more teachers cause there aren't enough class rooms, but still manage to have pretty good school graduation rates and college acceptance levels. That's good teaching and an involved parental component.

The scariest part is that it's not usually the kids who are unmotivated. i've seen so many kids who are motivated and their parents sabotage because they either a.) don't believe that an education is important or b.) they don't want to see their children attain a higher level of education than they did. many of the kids we have are also afraid to graduate. it's crazy but true. they get within a class or two of graduation and just stop showing up or refuse to do the courses, it's unbelievable. parent support can go a looooong way.

Originally Posted by nobueno

The scariest part is that it's not usually the kids who are unmotivated. i've seen so many kids who are motivated and their parents sabotage because they either a.) don't believe that an education is important or b.) they don't want to see their children attain a higher level of education than they did. many of the kids we have are also afraid to graduate. it's crazy but true. they get within a class or two of graduation and just stop showing up or refuse to do the courses, it's unbelievable. parent support can go a looooong way.

Wow, that's some weird stuff. I never saw anything like that when our kids were coming up. Scary stuff. We saw the uninvolved parents and the overly involved parents, but most like us who just made sure they were always staying on top of shit.

Did see some weird stuff at our daughters HS, a regional Governors school. They
had a tough time getting the black kids (who were definitely qualified academically) in the city to apply and if they did apply and were accepted, getting them to go there was/still is tough.

They apparently got pressure from the friends to not do the smart school thing, like they were selling out. That's the kind of shit that's got to be changed. City schools suck and if my city school kid had the opportunity to go to a school like that he or she wouldn't get a vote. That's the type of opportunity that literally opens doors down the road.

Bueno - I totally agree that some teachers are way underpaid. I knew a few of them who should have got their full salary plus the idiot in the room next door's salary

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Sick days? WTF are sick days?

That always confusifies me as well. What - is the day sick? How does a period of time not feel well?

Originally Posted by Pillsbury

In my world a sick day is a day that you feel like shit, but still work.

Ohh - ok. Feel like shit days. I had one of those today.

Thanks DBS - now it makes more sense.

Originally Posted by Tippster

...but I'm sure most of you think people we pay to kill people overseas deserve it whereas people who teach our children here at home do not.

Most of those guys are paid to get shot at while building a school or some dumb shit.

Comparing a soldier in a combat zone to a teacher is ultra-retarded.

Funny after Pilsbury was called a window licker, he has avoided this thread.

HAHA!

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Private schools CAN weed out the shit bags. And they do (no union). It's a big reason (not the only reason so STFU) private schools produce a better result for far less money.

Do they? Teacher friend of mine left a public school and hired into a private school.

She reports that cheating is way worse in the private school and because there's the profit motive, punishment amounts to a slap on the wrist... "I pay $10,000 a year for tuition and you're accusing my kid of cheating?!?!! Fine, I'll find another school that will look the other way for $8,000!"

It was a problem at my brother's private school, too. The kids that got booted for cheating just enrolled at a rival school.

Originally Posted by 13

Do they? Teacher friend of mine left a public school and hired into a private school.

She reports that cheating is way worse in the private school and because there's the profit motive, punishment amounts to a slap on the wrist... "I pay $10,000 a year for tuition and you're accusing my kid of cheating?!?!! Fine, I'll find another school that will look the other way for $8,000!"

It was a problem at my brother's private school, too. The kids that got booted for cheating just enrolled at a rival school.

Wouldn't the same exact thing happen at every college then too? Better make college "free" for everyone!!!!

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

Wouldn't the same exact thing happen at every college then too? Better make college "free" for everyone!!!!

Quoted to save this stupidity for posterity.

Don't worry, no one would ever cheat at College.

Originally Posted by Bunion

Quoted to save this stupidity for posterity.

Don't worry, no one would ever cheat at College.

And the solution to cheating is to not allow people to pay for education according to the post I responded to.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

And the solution to cheating is to not allow people to pay for education according to the post I responded to.

You didn't go to college, did you?

Private highschools sell college admission. Grades, SATs and "reputation" sell admission. Even a moron in sales can connect the dots

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

You didn't go to college, did you?

Private highschools sell college admission. Grades, SATs and "reputation" sell admission. Even a moron in sales can connect the dots

No... obviously even a genius in sales can't connect the dots let alone a moran...

Originally Posted by Hugh Conway

You didn't go to college, did you?

Private highschools sell college admission. Grades, SATs and "reputation" sell admission. Even a moron in sales can connect the dots

Ummm. Yes, I did go to college. Graduated too. AND I skied Baldy Chute!

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

AND I skied Baldy Chute!

Uhhh which one? Useless w/o pix.....

Originally Posted by Bunion

Uhhh which one? Useless w/o pix.....

That would be Main Chute.

Photoshop yourself into the picture..........

Originally Posted by Bunion

Photoshop yourself into the picture..........

I just learned how to post a photo. Now you want photoshop?

Where's Mock Vomit when you need him?

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

And the solution to cheating is to not allow people to pay for education according to the post I responded to.

Nope, no solutions. Just relating a story to you to question your blind faith in private schools.

Originally Posted by 13

Nope, no solutions. Just relating a story to you to question your blind faith in private schools.

Blind Faith? Bwwwaaahhhhh

Funny how the folks here ragging (and raging!) on teachers are usually the class dumbshits that should have paid attention at school in the first place.

the problem with the educational system is NOt the teachers...it is the fact that we've traded the 'love of learning' that is innate in kids and replaced it with formulaic learning by rote.

teaching kids is NOt mechanized farming, kids NEED inspiration and the chance to let their creativity flourish and become a catalyst to innovation...a good teacher can become indispensible in that endeavor.

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Originally Posted by OSECS

I ybow to your personal experience. Yeah good points about the salaries and when you make that kind
if cash. Masters are required in Va. For teaching I believe. I'm in the college school session mind set now so yeah, summer is more like 2 months considering you go back a week or two before the kids return in fall

Yeah, parental involvement is the 800lb gorilla, but hiring more teachers isnt going to solve the inner
city school issues or any school district where kids, culturally just don't value education and their parents don't force the issue. We have over crowding in our local schools now so there's no room for more teachers cause there aren't enough class rooms, but still manage to have pretty good school graduation rates and college acceptance levels. That's good teaching and an involved parental component.

No, Osecs, Masters are not prerequisite to teach in Virginia..they merely increase your pay rate when you DO decide to get a Masters. I had a girfriend who previous to my knowing her, taught for years with only a Bachelor's degree in virginia...and then was just finishing up her Masters when I'd met her...but the Masters gave her an additional $9000 per year in pay.

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