Thread: New Enduro Mountain Bike Race - Aspen/Snowmass

Bump for a Monday! Gravity Logic Grand Opening is this weekend! We are also hoping to have most of the Enduro courses marked so you can begin pre-riding. Its a gonna be sweet!

Are you going to GPS the courses? You mentioned it in an earlier post, just curious to see.

When you say "the same bike", what are the limitations for changes that we can make between races? Wheelset, dropper post, tires?

Originally Posted by Crinkle

Are you going to GPS the courses? You mentioned it in an earlier post, just curious to see.

When you say "the same bike", what are the limitations for changes that we can make between races? Wheelset, dropper post, tires?

Yes...we are gps'ng the courses this Friday. I totally spaced that I needed to wait for the elk closure to lift before we could do the Uber D

We are going to allow tire changes only. The rest of the bike must remain unaltered throughout all 4 stages.

Gonna be at Snowmass Saturday to shred VALHALLA!

Here we go!

Just GPS'd and course marked Stage (1). This is going to be incredible! From high alpine single track, to parts of the jump trail, to uber buff flowing single track, to even a little desert riding, this course has it all! Only 120 vert feet of climing See the stat.

We will be posting Stage (2) on Tuesday afternoon. Enjoy.

Stage 1

Name: Track 001
Date: Jun 22, 2012 12:03 pm
Map:
(valid until Dec 19, 2012)

http://gps.motionx.com/maps/9050bf8b...26ffc109a1bcd7

Distance: 8.40 miles
Min Altitude: 7,965 ft
Max Altitude: 11,400 ft
Start Time: 2012-06-22T18:03:37Z
Start Location:
Latitude: 39.168879º N
Longitude: 106.926347º W
End Location:
Latitude: 39.221234º N
Longitude: 106.919631º W

Stage 2 GPS'd and marked today ready for a pre-ride. See stats and map link below.
Stage 3 is simply the Valhala Gravity Logic Trail with no chain
Stage 4 is the Pro DH course beginning at the Vermont Section. Just ask the staff at the top of the Gondola. You will have all Sunday morning to practice this stage



Date: Jun 26, 2012 11:31 am
Map:
(valid until Dec 23, 2012)

http://gps.motionx.com/maps/1fdd163a...c26ad1a99ebb99

Distance: 9.17 miles
Elapsed Time: 2:47:55
Avg Speed: 3.3 mph
Max Speed: 22.6 mph
Avg Pace: 18' 19" per mile
Min Altitude: 8,483 ft
Max Altitude: 9,946 ft
Start Time: 2012-06-26T17:31:44Z
Start Location:
Latitude: 39.188008º N
Longitude: 106.934773º W
End Location:
Latitude: 39.208116º N
Longitude: 106.949253º W

i took the XC gps data and uploaded it to utrack

Link should work for a day or so, not sure
http://utrack.crempa.net/report/save...7bb07e&lang=en

Minimum elevation: 8481 ft
Maximum elevation: 9944.2 ft
Average elevation: 9492.9 ft
Maximum difference: 1463.3 ft
Total climbing: 1489.5 ft
Total descent: 2897 ft
Start elevation: 9888.9 ft
End elevation: 8481 ft
Final balance: -1408 ft

did the same with the super d
http://utrack.crempa.net/report/save...53744b&lang=en.

Minimum elevation: 7962.6 ft
Maximum elevation: 11399.8 ft
Average elevation: 9434.8 ft
Maximum difference: 3437.2 ft
Total climbing: 328.1 ft
Total descent: 3763.1 ft
Start elevation: 11399.8 ft
End elevation: 7962.6 ft
Final balance: -3437.2 ft

FYI.....Stage 1 is not a Super D....This is the MEGA D!!!!

Thanks for fixing the post!

kinda weird, not sure what is causing the difference in total climbing between what you noted and what came up in the GPS data.

But yeah, that stage 1 is going to be MONEY

I'm getting amped for this.. should be announcing all weekend. Come up and say what's up! I'm going to try to ride most of these next weekend.

interesting format info came out just now via email:


Stage 1 (Full Time) + Stage 2 (Full Time/2) + Stage 3 (Full Time) + Stage 4 (Full Time) = Total Time.

So the XC time (stage 2) will be divided in half, so nixing any huge gain to be done by a cross country stud or someone that chooses a wicked light bike.

I get in town wed night, preriding (fucking off on my bike) all thurs and friday morning, hit me up if anyone wants to ride.

Originally Posted by Crinkle

interesting format info came out just now via email:


Stage 1 (Full Time) + Stage 2 (Full Time/2) + Stage 3 (Full Time) + Stage 4 (Full Time) = Total Time.

So the XC time (stage 2) will be divided in half, so nixing any huge gain to be done by a cross country stud or someone that chooses a wicked light bike.

I get in town wed night, preriding (fucking off on my bike) all thurs and friday morning, hit me up if anyone wants to ride.

My apologies...I like to get this info out before it gets posted so the forum followers are in the know first.

After a back and forth meeting yesterday, the majority felt that the XC times should be divided by half to keep a 10 min plus gain from being the deciding factor. We must find a happy medium with type of racing format, so lets see how it goes. I think it will work out really well....HOWEVER, I was still a fan of total time, but I can see where some of the others are coming from. So...here we are, lets give it a shot and have some fun.

No need to apologize, I think its a good idea, it keeps in the spirit of the kind of race it is and type of racer it draws. Otherwise with 1k of climbing over 9 miles it would create an opportunity for an XC type to win by a much larger lead than any other type of racer could make in any other stage. Its a nice equalizer.

I am sure you guys will be learning what does and doesn't work in what is only your first year of this type of race.

Super stoked

I dunno, the divide by 2 thing is kinda ghey.
I've always been under the impression that racing was getting from point A to B ASAP.

This feels like "bracket" drag racing where the winner is the closest to their guess, regardless of if they were the slowest.

If you want the race to cater to downhill riders, make it a downhill course. Otherwise, you might a well give people a bonus if they smoke a pack of butts before they start.

Somewhat race related question...

What is the easiest way to get to the pro DH course? From the top of the gondi? Or the lift? Or...? I'd love to try to my hand at it instead of just shredding Valhalla all the time (which is ridiculous fun, not trying to take anything away from it).

I remember last year following my friends and we did a lot of backtracking and walking circles. We finally ended up by the big drop by the gravel access road. It was so fun riding down that last section (even though I was on just my AM bike and it was my 2nd day of real mountain biking).

Now that I have a real DH bike too, it needs some love. And since I'm on DH bike, pedaling uphill isn't the greatest idea. So, how does one do it most efficiently?

Thanks!

The DH course is off the Villiage express, not the Elk Camp lifts.

XtrP, It makes sense if you think about the idea that you don't want to make any one stage that much more valuable in the amount of time that can be gained. While on a DH course or super D you can make a few minutes, but when you go to a XC stage and have 1000' of climbing, the amount of minutes that can be gained are double that of any other stage IMO. I think its that they want to have an "all mtn event", not something that can be gained or lost because of how good one person is at one discipline (xc).

Honestly if they kept the format in straight time, the XC course would probably benefit me more, as I can pedal my bike and climb my "all mtn" bike pretty well. (just talking about it cause its fun, not really defensive)

Nitro, in regards to the chainless race, i watched a few vids on youtube last night and tried to learned a few things about the trail as I have never ridden it. First I learned how to case just about every jump then i noticed that Valhalla looks like it has some pedaling sections as well as some flat sections. Does Valhalla have enough pitch to be ridden without too much running or pushing? Or maybe those guys in the video just really suck?

Originally Posted by Crinkle

The DH course is off the Villiage express, not the Elk Camp lifts.

Yup...I know that. I remember ending up down there.

But since they don't run that lift in the summer, is there anyway to get over there from the gondi side? Or are you better just hiking up by Village Express? Even if it takes awhile to hike, I'd be willing to put in the effort. As Rob Warner says, we gotta be working on our fitness.

Originally Posted by mbizzles

Yup...I know that. I remember ending up down there.

But since they don't run that lift in the summer, is there anyway to get over there from the gondi side? Or are you better just hiking up by Village Express? Even if it takes awhile to hike, I'd be willing to put in the effort. As Rob Warner says, we gotta be working on our fitness.

easiest way over would be to take the gondi and reverse cross mountain it....

Originally Posted by Crinkle

The DH course is off the Villiage express, not the Elk Camp lifts.

XtrP, It makes sense if you think about the idea that you don't want to make any one stage that much more valuable in the amount of time that can be gained. While on a DH course or super D you can make a few minutes, but when you go to a XC stage and have 1000' of climbing, the amount of minutes that can be gained are double that of any other stage IMO. I think its that they want to have an "all mtn event", not something that can be gained or lost because of how good one person is at one discipline (xc).

Honestly if they kept the format in straight time, the XC course would probably benefit me more, as I can pedal my bike and climb my "all mtn" bike pretty well. (just talking about it cause its fun, not really defensive)

Nitro, in regards to the chainless race, i watched a few vids on youtube last night and tried to learned a few things about the trail as I have never ridden it. First I learned how to case just about every jump then i noticed that Valhalla looks like it has some pedaling sections as well as some flat sections. Does Valhalla have enough pitch to be ridden without too much running or pushing? Or maybe those guys in the video just really suck?

There are a couple jumps that will be hard to make without pedaling, but most of them, I actually have to brake check.

Originally Posted by grskier

easiest way over would be to take the gondi and reverse cross mountain it....

Gracias!

Just think if the Tour de France changed their timing rules so Peter Sagan or Mark Cavendish could win the overall. Would probably make the media pretty happy.

That's actually a thought for multi day/stage enduro mtb races, you could have a couple different classifications crowned. You could have the GC (which no doubt would be won by a full rigid 29er riding plum smuggler), and the 'Awesome classification' which would be awarded to the most gnarly RAD dude on the whole mountain. Bonus points could be awarded for the coolest bike.

Originally Posted by mbizzles

Gracias!

going east to west on government will get you some of it as well.

Originally Posted by Crinkle

The DH course is off the Villiage express, not the Elk Camp lifts.

XtrP, It makes sense if you think about the idea that you don't want to make any one stage that much more valuable in the amount of time that can be gained. While on a DH course or super D you can make a few minutes, but when you go to a XC stage and have 1000' of climbing, the amount of minutes that can be gained are double that of any other stage IMO. I think its that they want to have an "all mtn event", not something that can be gained or lost because of how good one person is at one discipline (xc).

Honestly if they kept the format in straight time, the XC course would probably benefit me more, as I can pedal my bike and climb my "all mtn" bike pretty well. (just talking about it cause its fun, not really defensive)

Nitro, in regards to the chainless race, i watched a few vids on youtube last night and tried to learned a few things about the trail as I have never ridden it. First I learned how to case just about every jump then i noticed that Valhalla looks like it has some pedaling sections as well as some flat sections. Does Valhalla have enough pitch to be ridden without too much running or pushing? Or maybe those guys in the video just really suck?

They just suck On my SB-66, I can do the whole course without pedaling. It will be fun to see on the flatter sections if people just try to coast super slow or run. I think thats part of the fun!

Originally Posted by Nitro

They just suck On my SB-66, I can do the whole course without pedaling. It will be fun to see on the flatter sections if people just try to coast super slow or run. I think thats part of the fun!

i think it was just gopro playing tricks on what i thought the angles were. I have MAD skate pushing skills.

We should add a strider bike category