Thread: 110mm waisted ski for backcountry? Moment Ruby or similar?

Hey,

Just hunting around the spring sales. Missed the Moment sell off! .

Got 2 pairs of LibTechs for ripping around inbounds.

I really want a pair of Moments (ie Belafonte or Jag Shark) or similar type ski to mount my Barons on.

Camber required. Tip rocker would be nice. Decided I no longer want both tip and tail rocker (have skiied JJ's and Opuses).

Length: I'm pretty sure I want around a 180cm (if traditional camber no tip/tail rocker) or approx. 181 - 185cm (if camber with some tip rocker).....for a 5'7", 175 lb skier (who likes to ski pretty fast).

Width: approx. 110mm waisted ski is money,

Type: one that is good for all around charging from spring corn to powder to hard pack?

But I don't want to spend over $375 or so on the skis as these won't get used a ton when skiing inbounds during the season. Just a bit of sidecountry, easy type day trips at the beginning and end of the season. Will be mounting some used Barons on these.

I see a 180cm 2011 Moment Ruby at evo.com (specs are 141/111/129) for $349 free shipping.

Anyone have any comments on the 2011 Moment Ruby? Seems like a solid all around ski from what I have read? Wondering how are the Moment square tips for mounting skins?

Any other similar skis out there around $350 - $375? I'll go take a look.

Thanks,

K

I'm not sure about any deals out there right now, but for the dimensions you are searching for, I would suggest checking out the atomic blogs. I've enjoyed plenty of side-country and day trips on them. They are fun to ski, not too heavy, and perform decently in all conditions.

I am thinking about selling my ruby's

188cm, 3mounts 1unknown, 2 for salomon STH BSL 29.5 (1 at recommended and one based on true centre. Long story, stupid shop - last time I paid for skis to be mounted!). Otherwise in great shape LOTS of camber left, great edges and bases.

PM me if you might be interested. A LOT Cheaper than EVO.com.... ~$150

BC.com has great search tool inside skis category, by rocker, all mtn is 110 category. Will give all options (most anyways) pretty summary format

Hey,

Just doing some more work.... interesting sidecountry skis (approx.. 180cm, camber underfoot, tip rocker)....and some decent prices I've found!

'11 Moment Ruby 180cm 141/111/129 22m radius no early rise ($349) - traditional camber
'12 K2 Sidestash 181cm 139/108/127 25m radius early rise tip ($450) - do these ski long?
'12 Salomon Czar 181cm 131/111/121 44m radius early rise tip ($350) - WTF 44m turn radius?
'12 Armada TST 183cm 132/102/122 17m radius early rise tip ($389) - do these ski short?

Any issues with K2 sizing these days? Is a 181 K2 a 181....or more like a 185?

What is with a 44m radius on the Czar?

thx in advance, info is much appreciated.

K

I skiied the TST this year and loved them. Highly recommended. They ski short though. I couldn't imagine being on the 183

I'm 5'9, 175lbs and have the 183 TSTs. Mounted mine at -7cm from core center (revised factory recommended mounting point) and the tip length feels a tiny bit short, but float is surprisingly awesome for a 103mm waisted ski due to the large tip rocker. I should have mounted at -8, but am happy nonetheless. Very light and capable skis with a stout flex.

Lhasa Pow's fit all but the price requirement, but if you can pick up a demo or blemish pair it still might work even for that.

Czars are pretty straight, hence the long radius, but the early rise tip and twin tip back result in them being much quicker and more agile than the turn radius suggests. Very stable because of the lack of sidecut, but still agile, nice combination. My son, who's a much better skier than I am and charges hard, took mine for a spin a couple of weeks ago and I can't get them back. "Favorite ski I've ever skied" he says. Mine's a tele setup.

Moment Ruby is a solid all around ski. Mount at least -2 if no flippy spinny.

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Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

Moment Ruby is a solid all around ski. Mount at least -2 if no flippy spinny.

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Ya, from what I have read the Rubys are a good all around ski. So I am leaning towards the 2011 Rubys. I can get a pair for $349 shipped. And I have been interested in owning a pair of Moment skis and these seem like a good all arounder for sidecountry. Perfect for my Barons.

What is the recommended mount position on Rubys? I usually go approx. -6cm back from TC for my freeride sweet spot. Given the Ruby has no tail rocker (and no tip rocker) I may mount just a bit forward.

Thx

K

I'll have my Ruby's at WB april 18th-21st if you want to take 'em for a spin before you buy... they are 188's but with the HUGE tips and tails they don't ski near that long. They're mounted on the line with dukes at 312mm

Black Diamond zealot, 110 with early rise tip but no tail rocker

saw some online somewhere the other day for $349 I believe

Hey,

Thanks for all the advice/info......and the offers to buy some maggot-used Rubys, prices offered were great but to get a 1 year old Moment ski at evo.com for only $349, I decided to go with new (as only 1 mount helps future resale).

Skis should be here by Friday. I am mounting Barons on these to be used with Black Diamond Methods.....going for more of a sidecountry/short tour set-up.

In the end the Ruby's seemed relatively light and I really wanted to support a local North American manufactured ski. Plus a 180cm ski with traditional camber will be perfect, short enough to throw around and less weight, but will not ski short.

I will post a mini review in a week or so.

K

They are retarded light. Flex is $$$$$$. They even ski man made shit decently. When you see how much tail they have you'll know what I mean by mount at least -2. You might even go -3 or -4. Lean forward. Oh, and the bases are thirsty when they're new.

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

When you see how much tail they have you'll know what I mean by mount at least -2. You might even go -3 or -4. Lean forward.

Can't wait to get em mounted.

When you say mount them at least -2, or -3 or -4.....are you meaning cm back from center....or back from Moment's recommended mount point.

Any idea how many cms the actual recommended mounting point on the Rubys is back from True Center (or is there a range on Moments)?

I typically look first at the recommended mount point on a ski, start there and then go just a bit forward, but not too far forward. I usually lay all my skis side by side to ensure the boot mount point looks reasonable. My LibTechs and even my park skiis (Chronics) are all approx. - 5cm to -6cm from Center and that seems to be money for me. I don't do any spinny, flippy backwards stuff, just like a ski that can rip.

"Retardedly light" and "lean forward" is getting me excited to try these!

K

You'll enjoy them man. They do ski really well!

Have fun on them!

Originally Posted by kc_7777

Can't wait to get em mounted.

When you say mount them at least -2, or -3 or -4.....are you meaning cm back from center....or back from Moment's recommended mount point.

Any idea how many cms the actual recommended mounting point on the Rubys is back from True Center (or is there a range on Moments)?

I typically look first at the recommended mount point on a ski, start there and then go just a bit forward, but not too far forward. I usually lay all my skis side by side to ensure the boot mount point looks reasonable. My LibTechs and even my park skiis (Chronics) are all approx. - 5cm to -6cm from Center and that seems to be money for me. I don't do any spinny, flippy backwards stuff, just like a ski that can rip.

"Retardedly light" and "lean forward" is getting me excited to try these!

K

I mean that there is a scale on the sidewall that goes from +2 to -2. 0 is really forward. Part of it is the long tip and tail shovels, but even at -2 it's almost a little forward. Or i'm just tall and I have a stiff back, lol. Just mount on the -2 line. I'm tempted to hack off the tails, actually. Yeah, -2 line is probably fine. The duke/baron will move you back when skinning.

For the record:
I'm 6' and 183 without gear.
I've been really out of shape this year, but I try to ski somewhat aggressively in long turns and I enjoy powder, trees, and a good beer.

I ski the 188. It's straight, but it rails turns on groomers. It's straightness and lack of metal makes it very manageable in moguls.
You need to let your feet come apart in powder or it won't float. The tips are a little stiff, but it's a great flex.
I will say this: it's speed, light weight, and pop can make for a scary combination, but that's not an issue if you touring and skiing on touched pow.

It'll do hard snow fine.

I think it want's to plow through things and bounce off them more than float, but in pow it's fun. It's just that I was working on keeping my feet closer together, but you really need to let them come apart a bit in powder and let them run, or they won't really float.

Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn

I enjoy powder, trees, and a good beer.

Powder + trees + beer. Mmmmmm. Also my favs. Was at Baker last weekend skiing in the sun, bought a 6-pack on Sat am....3 were gone after skiing on Sat, and I buried the remaining 3 beers in a snow bank and dug them up on Sunday (thus avoiding having to take the beer home across the border to Canada where I live.)

Thx for the info on the Ruby mounting. I will analyze the +2, 0, -2 mounts on Friday when I pick the skis up. Hearing ya that -2 is the mount. Will measure it and see how many cm from center it is.

Your description of light weight, speed and pop has me drooling for these Rubies, I like to go very fast down everything. I am 5'7, 175lbs and got the 180s for maneuverability.

K

I wouldn't say the Sidestashes ski long--I went from 177 mantras (red) to 181 sidestashes and the length is fine. (6', 180#, and my skiing could generously be described as timid.)

So I picked up the 180cm Moment Rubies today and dropped them at Glacier ski shop for mounting. Felt pretty light!

On the ski, Moment has an option of recommended at 0, or a +2 (forward 2cm) or a -2 (back 2cm) from that position.

When I measured from true center on the ski, the 0 mark is approx 6.5 cm back from ski center....and all of my skis are mounted at 6cm back. I laid the Rubys next to my 181 LibTechs and 178 Chronics and the 180 Moment Ruby 0 mark was pretty close to the boot center on those skis (both at -6cm from center).

So I went with the 0 mount (back 6.5cm) as that is pretty consistent with my other skis. Given the -2 mark would be approx. 8.5cm back from the ski center and I had some Line Blends last year mounted at -7.8cm, and did not like them as I felt too far back. Funny how much diff 1.5cm - 2cm makes.

The shop also said most of their Moments are mounted on the 0 line. But that anywhere in that +2 to 0 to -2cm (4cm) range is fine.

Going to try them out Sunday!

K

I just got the 2011 Rubys mounted up then I promptly rolled my ankle in a soccer game the next day.

So I had a week off of skiing, today the ankle was still a bit f'd but I decided to try it anyway.

Conditions: sun, super warm temps and deep slush.

Ski: 180cm Ruby, traditional camber, mounted on the line with Barons (boot center right on the "0"). Note: This position feels right to me and is very similar to my LibTech's sweet spot. I liked the feel of the traditional camber, effective edge felt long enough, even for a 180.

Initial impression: Not much to report as I was in pain most of the day, couldn't really rip like I wanted to. But the Rubys do feel light....could be the comparison to the LibTechs. I am pretty sure any ski would have performed just fine in the sun/slush today, but the Rubys feel like they can really rip and can nicely hold a carving edge at speed on groomers. Pretty big tips and tails on these suckers, and the traditional camber is pretty springy. After starting my season on JJ’s, then Opuses (now on Libs) for inbounds I really am liking healthy (traditional) camber. The Ruby seems like it will be a very good all-around ski. Pretty predictable and friendly on the soft snow. They are very stable at speed.

I am looking forward to taking them out on steeper runs soon (my ankle kept me off the steeper runs). Will report back later.

K