Thread: One thing I don't get about this Zimmerman/Martin thing

AKR - you really need to stop relying on one and only one source (NPR) for all your information.

...and the guy's not batshit crazy - he's just a fuckhead. I absolutely HATE those neighborhood watch freaks.

Originally Posted by Jer

Yeah - Gilligan evades him, he ditches the castaways and when he gets back he gets a perfect score in a skeet match but suffers a complete nervous breakdown and is committed to a psychiatric hospital

don't remember that ending, but I do remember something about Gilligan hiding in a tree till sunset and the hunter almost using the tree (not knowing Gilligan was inside) as target practice.

No AR, not a "Gipper" type actor.

Why am I not surprised Jer is the resident Gilligan's Island expert. I bet he had a man crush on the Professor.

Originally Posted by Jer

...and the guy's not batshit crazy - he's just a fuckhead. I absolutely HATE those neighborhood watch freaks.

Probably true, too many of those guys are just cop wannabes. Not to jump into the hand gun fray, but the fact they let those idiots drive around with guns is fucked. Like someone said earlier, he likely was hoping for a chance to shoot someone.

Private security guards are the other ones with guys who scare me.

Originally Posted by Jer

Yeah - Gilligan evades him, he ditches the castaways and when he gets back he gets a perfect score in a skeet match but suffers a complete nervous breakdown and is committed to a psychiatric hospital

And when they haul him away the only thing he utters is "Gilligan, Gilligan." Great episode! Kincaide also has a sidekick who wears a turban, whom Mr. Howell refers to as "your friend with the bad headache" or something along those lines.

Naw - although I don't like big muscles, I'm more of a "brawn" guy than a "brain" guy.

I've got every episode of Gilligan's Island on DVD. Hogan's Heros too. Gotta have something to fit in between the Kubrick and Tarkovsky.

I don't get how you can put a pair of 9mm holes in someone and not at least wait in jail? Almost makes me believe there is more to the story. Or should I say, hope?

Originally Posted by Cono Este

I don't get how you can put a pair of 9mm holes in someone and not at least wait in jail?

Are you talking arrested or detained? All signs point to this guy being a kill boner freak, but there are many many more cases where the shooter was justified (legally at least). The story I quoted from Slinger is tragic, but I don't blame the guy one bit for what he did. He shouldn't have to spend one second in jail. And luckily he didn't. OTOH - this idiot in Florida was obviously completely unjustified as well as premeditated. When they prosecute him it'd be cool if they went for the death penalty. The kid was guilty of being black and drinking iced tea.

Florida and Wisco — pffft — here in Utah neighborhood watch freaks stalk girls and try to gun each other down as a way to settle arguments.

Rory Calhoun

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001983/

Betcha Slinger at least got pulled into the Police Precinct and questioned. This guy just says "it was self defense" and ... nada. No proof necessary, no breathalizer or drug test, nothing.

Then gun law that's the problem here is more the "Stand Your Ground" addition and the neighborhood watch exception to the existing laws. It's bullshit vigilante crap like those laws that lead to this tragedy.

Once the motherfucker called 911 and was told to stand down/keep away his actions should be considered as breaking the law. Period.

AKR: I bet the local TV/Radio stations reported the shooting the day after it happened. When the fucking Cops decided not to investigate at all, not even let the Grand Jury decide whether or not to do so, that's when it became a National story and thus NPR (and everyone else) picked up on it. Also the family is doing a very good job to not let this crap get swept under the table.

Originally Posted by Jer

The kid was guilty of being black and drinking iced tea.

What do you have against ice tea drinkers? Are a racist pertaining to ice tea? Some of my best friends drink ice tea (but not in my presence; I won't tolerate that shit.)

Originally Posted by Tippster

Betcha Slinger at least got pulled into the Police Precinct and questioned. This guy just says "it was self defense" and ... nada. No proof necessary, no breathalizer or drug test, nothing.

Then gun law that's the problem here is more the "Stand Your Ground" addition and the neighborhood watch exception to the existing laws. It's bullshit vigilante crap like those laws that
lead to this tragedy.

Once the motherfucker called 911 and was told to stand down/keep away his actions should be considered as breaking the law. Period

AKR: I bet the local TV/Radio stations reported the shooting the day after it happened. When the fucking Cops decided not to investigate at all, not even let the Grand Jury decide whether or not to do so, that's when it became a National story and thus NPR (and everyone else) picked up on it.
Also the family is doing a very good job to not let this crap get swept under the table.

Should be no exception for the law and, no he had no legal requirement to not follow him so that's a non starter. Now should he have listened to the dispatchers strong recommendation ? Definitely. And hopefully some smart lawyer can use this against him in a common sense kind of way. The guy appears to be a total whack job. Not insane, just a rabid idiot.

Admittedly I don't know a whole lot about the Stand Your Ground thing in FL, but how can following a kid in your car waiting for him to draw his iced tea be considered "standing your ground".

Originally Posted by Triage

Florida and Wisco — pffft — here in Utah neighborhood watch freaks stalk girls and try to gun each other down as a way to settle arguments.

Money quotes from your link that certainly apply to Zimmerman:

----"The Judge also called Campos' self defense "pure crap". The judge went on to say that "You don't get out of a car with a gun and then claim self defense.""

----"As we have said repeatedly in our Utah CCW classes, firearms are to be used to get you to tomorrow, Not To Win Arguments!! You can never be labeled the aggressor and claim self-defense."


Zimmerman is an asshole who deserves to fry in the electric chair. Unbeleiveable that the cops did not even take away his gun to do a ballistics check.

I am in no way anti-gun, my arsenal rivals Jers, but fuckheads like Zimmerman are why I think our society needs common-sense gun laws. The wild-wild-west mentality of the some gun owners is flat out insane. The fact that an NRA-sponsered law is letting a murdering fuckhead like Zimmerman walk free is why I do not donate a fucking dime to the NRA, despite my gun ownership and support for the 2nd Amendment.

Do they still have the chair in FL or did they go to the needle?


...and I only have like 15 or so guns.

Originally Posted by Jer

Are you talking arrested or detained? All signs point to this guy being a kill boner freak, but there are many many more cases where the shooter was justified (legally at least). The story I quoted from Slinger is tragic, but I don't blame the guy one bit for what he did. He shouldn't have to spend one second in jail. And luckily he didn't. OTOH - this idiot in Florida was obviously completely unjustified as well as premeditated. When they prosecute him it'd be cool if they went for the death penalty. The kid was guilty of being black and drinking iced tea.

If I blasted an armed intruder in my own stairwell, i would still be shocked if they did not at least hold me over night.

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

Everyone here always tells me that racism from a minority is fine, that it's only a problem when white people do it

But Zimmerman is Hispanic. So why the outrage?

Are we really letting ILC, one of our resident racists, tell us who is/isn't white? Maybe he'll share his thoughts on eugenics and other related matters next.

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

but they said hes hispanic and i learned about that when i wasnt learning about punctuation, so why are you libtards talking about it like he did something wrong i don't understand im ilikebeinganidiot and this is how i type now let me ask you a question slightly related but not really and please answer with a specific citation so we dont discuss what i brought up im not trolling hey this is fun

Originally Posted by Jer

Do they still have the chair in FL or did they go to the needle?

Dunno.

Does Utah still have firing squads ? I thought that was awesome when they shot that one murdering scumbag in the 70's.


edit: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/methods-execution says Florida allows the prisoner to chose either lethal injection OR electrocution. PRO-CHOICE !!!

Originally Posted by Jer

...and I only have like 15 or so guns.

Fucking pussy.



Memo for the record to protect my Democratic Liberal street cred: I am firmly against the death penalty in cases that involve circumstantial evidence, like the Texas case that was based on now-debunked fire science. But in a case like this, where Zimmerman told the cops at the scene he was the shooter, I have no problem invoking the death penalty.

Originally Posted by Harry

Dunno.

Does Utah still have firing squads ? I thought that was awesome when they shot that one murdering scumbag in the 70's.


edit: http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/methods-execution says Florida allows the prisoner to chose either lethal injection OR electrocution. PRO-CHOICE !!!




Fucking pussy.



Memo for the record to protect my Democratic Liberal street cred: I am firmly against the death penalty in cases that involve circumstantial evidence, like the Texas case that was based on now-debunked fire science. But in a case like this, where Zimmerman told the cops at the scene he was the shooter, I have no problem invoking the death penalty.

Can't remember that guys name. They made a TV movie about him. He was a big Blue Oyster Cult fan and asked to hear "Don't Fear The Reaper" before his execution of sentence.

As for the death penalty I'm for it in certain cases where pre meditation can be proved, or they have DNA evidence linking a person to the crime or there is overwhelming evidence (fingerprints, weapon, other crime scene evidence, air tight placing of the defendant at the scene, that type of thing) and then a thorough appeals case has been presented. This guy stalked and then murdered this boy. I'd lose no sleep over his exit.

I never lived in one nor ever want to, but aren't "gated communities" set up with little security buildings at entrances and exits? If so, wouldn't Zimmy have some obligation to check with security or even let them handle it? I'm not suggesting that someone bent on B& E can't jump the walls, etc to elude detection, but if the complex has some kind of security system in place, it seems like that would have been the better course of action while the cops were en route.

Originally Posted by Harry

Zimmerman is an asshole who deserves to fry in the electric chair. Unbeleiveable that the cops did not even take away his gun to do a ballistics check.

Yeah, at minimum an investigation. While there are still people saying things like a black man wearing a hoodie is asking for trouble, the initial non-response has led to Florida police chief Bill Lee stepping down as more and more people become aware of the callousness. Obama on the Federal, State and local investigation:

They didn't impound the gun, they didn't cordon off the scene of the crime, they didn't blood test the shooter, they didn't photograph the alleged bloody nose and grass stains (from an alleged struggle) of the shooter. <<<<< All this from a local talk show host on the radio this a.m so the actual facts could be different.

Originally Posted by Moeghoul

I never lived in one nor ever want to, but aren't "gated communities" set up with little security buildings at entrances and exits? If so, wouldn't Zimmy have some obligation to check with security or even let them handle it? I'm not suggesting that someone bent on B& E can't jump the walls, etc to elude detection, but if the complex has some kind of security system in place, it seems like that would have been the better course of action while the cops were en route.

He WAS security

Which makes me lean a little toward responsibility falling more on his employer, and less on him (not that either is likely to be held responsible)

Originally Posted by ilikecandy

He WAS security

Which makes me lean a little toward responsibility falling more on his employer, and less on him (not that either is likely to be held responsible)

I had the impression this was more a neighborhood watch thing and he self appointed himself El Captaine. A sympathetic neighbor was interviewed and said the community never had any formal training with the police dept. I don't think there was any employer.