Thread: FS: Rocker mania: Drifters, Overlords, Billygoats, Watch Outs, Bibbys, Jaks

so these voile drifters are flat eh? what are you doing with THOSE dynafit bindings? ...and skins?

Do you still have the BombSquads? If so, can you share a photo of the bases.

Just saw an article in the Yellowstone Gate about your accident.

http://www.yellowstonegate.com/2012/...rs-ski-safely/

I know this is the wrong forum, but since you got a thread started here... If I can ask a question about your setup at the time of the accident:

What bindings were you using? Were they locked? set to regular dins, etc?. Are there anything setup wise that we can use to help us with ours?

Wishing you all the best in your recovery and that we keep seing your stoke in years to come!

.. and people, buy his stuff!

Hey, sorry about the broken leg but better then a broken knee. How much for the Overloards, size and year? Speedy recovery!
Thanks STR8

Oh, that made me cringe...and I was already clenching my teeth waiting for it. Hope the recovery is quick and minimally painful! Locked toes?

I think it is a medium, which fits me well- I have an average build with long arms. Buy it please (I can send photos)

Originally Posted by hiplainsdrifter

I think it is a medium, which fits me well- I have an average build with long arms. Buy it please (I can send photos)

Dang, I used to be able to wear a medium but not any mo.

sorry, missed those earlier comments. Overlords are gone. The setup I ate it on was Radical STs on RMU Apostles. I can't remember if my toes were locked or not. Occasionally I will lock them, usually on icy steeps. Heel DIN set to 9. I do love Dynafits and all, and everyone always raves about them, but since my accident I have heard of numerous similar tales of release failures either on slow, twisting falls or just big toe pressure falls, which I think is more of what happened to me. I guess if you want to save weight you sacrifice safety? I guess if you want to avoid this particular injury your safest bet is tele, but then you have a whole set of other risks. Just go with someone so when it happens you can make it out.

That's such a frightening scenario & this tech-binding specific injury certainly is not widely discussed in the forums here nor elsewhere. the surgeons didn't discuss with you any bone density concerns or other surprises?

Originally Posted by 1000-oaks

Oh, that made me cringe...and I was already clenching my teeth waiting for it.

+1.

Gives me shivers thinking about how easily the same thing could happen to me. Vibes on the recovery!

Vibes on a speedy recovery. I also broke my right tibia in half last February way back in west bowel at Squaw. Fortunately I had a buddy with me and a few folks on scene that assured me that I wasn't Sking out and to call patrol. Squaw patrol was stellar, I'm a big guy and we were way back there. Think 2 hour tour with 3/4 patrollers. I have the rod still in and have skied 35 days so far...mostly at Kirkwood...giving squaw a time-out this season. Take care and hit me up with any questions

I have questions between high plains drifters apparent tech binding safety fail, and the big Summit County Buffalo Peak Silver Colouir discussion (not the other vibes) thread, there are a few reported instances where tech bindings have utterly failed. In the discussion about self-arrest one guy said Jonathan S mounted his tech bindings just days before, and his tech fittings ripped out of both heels and were stuck in his boots and he went for a ride that nearly finished him off. So what is up with these things are they death traps? I know people pre-release from resort bindings too but man this is different.

I don't think the tech mount itself would be a safety issue. It is about the same durability as an alpine binding mount-if anything tech toes might pull out easier. In such a case I would be curious whether the mount job was faulty. I wish my mount had failed, that would have been a lot cheaper, and safer in my case at least. No bone density issues in my case. I have some pretty tough shins that have taken some decent cracks in the past with no issues at all. I was reviewing the high def helmet cam footage and my one tip did go under the other- not sure it it was kicked under by a chicken head or if I just had a weird jong moment that cost me big time. Wish I could take that run back, but I guess one serious injury in 31 years of life is not bad.

Keep up the great attitude! You have been commendably impressive thru your ordeal.

My buddy & I noticed that you had crossed your tips & we discussed how this might lead to an audibly snapping bone (no good theories). The fact that you have heard subsequent similar stories is disturbing and prevents me from shrugging and saying, "Meh, freak accident."

The other day I was tree skiing in my alpine gear and I shot a tip on the wrong side of a small but stout tree. My heel piece came out as I went forward, luckily, and that allowed my toepiece to release. I had tree bark in my buckle ladders which are on the outside which indicates that tree was really after me.

So I think about your accident, and the video shows a fairly tame situation. And yet somehow, it broke your leg and due to circumstances (solo BC, just beyond cel coverage) it could have been...worse. It has me wondering about those bindings and the possibility that they be more hazardous than alpine bindings, as judged from the incident reports. They make me nervous. Just for the sake of wonderment, is there any reason to doubt that if you had been in alpine bindings, that you would have just released without a problem? (yes, how would you skin home...etc)

Originally Posted by anemic

I know people pre-release from resort bindings too but man this is different.

Completely different, if you release from the heel in an alpine binding your boot is completely free of the binding. In a tech binding, you're only 50% out. The toe still needs to release from the pins, though theoretically it should release pretty easily when twisted at the pincers. But unfortunately that doesn't always happen.

I just received my first pair of AT skis, which have demo ST10s and I adjusted the rearpiece to boot clearance using 3 nickles per wildsnow Lou. This tolerance seems to be absolutely critical to the safe and proper release function of these crazy bindings. I can see that if boots wear, this may change over time, and that may be a factor in binding release failure. (pure speculation here)

^ I agree, but not a factor in my case as I checked the heel space using the Dynafit spacer the day before my accident. I think I will significantly lower the DIN on the little screw for the pins next season.

Little screw for pins controls the vertical release at the heel, big screw is horizontal twist (which could also be considered the "toe" release value).

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