Thread: Mittens Veep....Rand Paul

Thoughts? Scarborough is a blohard but I think he makes a valid point in this case: http://news.yahoo.com/joe-scarboroug...141638927.html

Texas Republican Rep. Ron Paul has been very critical of his competition in the race for the Republican presidential nomination but has laid off former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, prompting MSNBC Joe Scarborough to suggest an unpublicized deal between the two on Thursday’s episode of “Morning Joe.”

“The thing that went unspoken but everybody knows, and that is that Mitt Romney and Ron Paul have formed an alliance,” Scarborough said. “It is such an obvious alliance that Mitt Romney would do well to just come out and admit it. I don’t know what he’s promised Ron Paul. I don’t know if Ron Paul is hoping that his son gets in the administration. But let’s just be really honest here — for all people for Ron Paul to form an alliance with in the Republican Party, to pick out Mitt Romney is really bizarre.”

Scarborough posed that question to Daily Beast columnist Mark McKinnon, who served as an adviser to former President George W. Bush and Sen. John McCain in their bids for the White House, noting that this possible alliance wasn’t talked about much in the media.

“What’s the deal here?” Scarborough asked McKinnon. “You know there’s either a spoken or unspoken deal between Mitt Romney. This is the sort of thing nobody in the media likes to talk about but everybody in the game knows is going on. I mean, is Ron Paul hoping that his son gets a job in the cabinet? Is he hoping his son is going to be the VP nominee? What’s going on here, because there’s a deal between these guys.” (RELATED: Rand Paul says ‘it would be an honor to be considered’ as Romney’s veep (this explains a lot)

According to McKinnon, this behavior from Paul wasn’t just evident in Wednesday night’s debate in Arizona with former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum, but it has been a pattern throughout, first with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and also with former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich.

“Here’s the interesting thing,” McKinnon said. “It’s not just Santorum. If you go back, Ron Paul has been a devastating attack dog against first Rick Perry, then Newt Gingrich and now Santorum, spending millions of dollars with, I think, the most effective negative advertising in the whole campaign. I mean, he’s been throwing out daisy cutters, clearing the way for Mitt Romney all along. And you know, it’s a wink and a nod and never any kind of spoken deals on these sorts of things, but it’s pretty clear what’s going on. And he’s been the fullback, blocking in front of Romney this whole time.”

This is exactly why Ron Paul won't run as a 3rd Party candidate. He's sink Romney's chance at POTUS and in the process possibly ruin his son's political career. Ron Paul supporters, sucks when your guy is a sell out eh? Just like the rest of the guys running.

Strong ticket.

That ticket would solidify the Paul voters for Romney, 1/2 of which would otherwise vote for Obama.

Originally Posted by Downbound Train

That ticket would solidify the Paul voters for Romney, 1/2 of which would otherwise vote for Obama.

I would already pick Romney over Obama (that's a no brainer, isn't it?), but at this point I would take Johnson over Romney. With Rand as VP, I would second guess that decision. There is a possibility that Rand would sway me over to Romney over Johnson. Depends on a lot of things.

I wouldn't view this as Ron Paul selling out. I would view it as him trying to set up his son to take over his mantle, and possibly become President at some point.

Originally Posted by Pillsbury

I would already pick Romney over Obama (that's a no brainer, isn't it?), but at this point I would take Johnson over Romney. With Rand as VP, I would second guess that decision. There is a possibility that Rand would sway me over to Romney over Johnson. Depends on a lot of things.

I wouldn't view this as Ron Paul selling out. I would view it as him trying to set up his son to take over his mantle, and possibly become President at some point.

I don't think Mitten's style of governance while Gov. of Mass would equate to something Ron Paul would be all about. He's being a political opportunist for his son. Using his ability to sway voters towards Romney.

Ron Paul supporters often site the fact that he has uncompromised principals and as evidence point to his voting record in the House. I find that admiriable of him, to stick to his guns, regardless of if I agree with his views or not. Then you have Romney....he's like a a windsock...or like jello...he'll conform to whatever is needed to win an election. Compared to Ron Paul I can't think of a more opposite candidate than Romney. This just demonstrates that it's not about the candidate or platform...it's about getting someone in there other than Obama. Pathetic.

That would be a serious sellout by RP. I can see Mitt willing to do it, he'll do or say anything to win. But RP would be guilty of a massive betrayal to his supporters if he did that. Besides, politically, the Pauls are world's apart from Mitt, foreign policy being the biggest one.

All the more reason independents would not vote for Romney, which they otherwise might if he picks the right VP. Rand Paul is not the right VP. Sure it might get some tea baggers, but it would not win the election. Somebody like Rubio? That could be a winning ticket.

Originally Posted by hutash

All the more reason independents would not vote for Romney, which they otherwise might if he picks the right VP. Rand Paul is not the right VP. Sure it might get some tea baggers, but it would not win the election. Somebody like Rubio? That could be a winning ticket.

Rubio would be a smart choice for Romney, but I think in this case he's done some negotiating with the Paul camp to keep him and the Paul bots off his back. There's been ample opportunity for RP to do some damage to the Romney campaign, but he never seems to really go after him. Promising his son a position such as VP would certainly take care of RP.

Also, if RP comes out and says Romney is the man, for the vast majority of RP supporters that would be enough...there's a lot of blind allegiance to RP in the face of overwhelming logic/evidance against his policies/stances.

Rubio could be part of his administration...Sec. State or something and still grab the votes Romney is hoping for.

All assumptions and conjecture at this point.

Originally Posted by Pillsbury

All assumptions and conjecture at this point.

True. If Mittens can't lock down the nomination and there's a brokered convention look for this to be pretty significant...or not.

Given that the Veep doesn't actually do anything, and has almost zero influence on actual government policy, it seems kind of irrelevant.

Originally Posted by BrianH

Given that the Veep doesn't actually do anything, and has almost zero influence on actual government policy, it seems kind of irrelevant.

Harry Truman, Lyndon Johnson, Gerald Ford...but yeah, totally irrelevant.

Originally Posted by Adolf Allerbush

there's a lot of blind allegiance to Obama in the face of overwhelming logic/evidence against his policies/stances.

FTFY....

Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd

FTFY....

That's true as well.

Originally Posted by Pillsbury

I would already pick Romney over Obama (that's a no brainer, isn't it?)

only if you have no brain. obama sucks donkey balls,, but romney sucks elephant balls, dick, and anus.. a much worse choice for the country

Santorum/Gingrich have forced Mittens to move so far right he can't move center without getting hammered as the jello candidate he is. Had he stayed middle right he could have beat Obama if the economy was at all marginal, which it likely will be. The republicans have shoot themselves in the foot on this one, and I doubt any VP candidate will make a difference. Unless of course he chooses a Palinesque type VP in which case he will lose by double digits.

The thought that Paul supporters will vote for Romney simply because he made a deal with Dr. Paul is fantasy. Most RP supporters (read the "Why you should vote for RP" thread here) like him for some very specific reasons:

-Legalization of Marijuana
-Stopping the war machine
-Civil Liberties (well, except for women, but whatever)
-Small Government

Romney would not touch any of those issues with a 10 foot pole. RP bows out and supports Mitt (for whatever reason) would give Mitt maybe an extra 5% of voters. The other 15% that are RP supporters will either vote for Obama or more likely simply stay home.

Originally Posted by Tippster

The thought that Paul supporters will vote for Romney simply because he made a deal with Dr. Paul is fantasy. Most RP supporters (read the "Why you should vote for RP" thread here) like him for some very specific reasons:

-Legalization of Marijuana
-Stopping the war machine
-Civil Liberties (well, except for women, but whatever)
-Small Government

Romney would not touch any of those issues with a 10 foot pole. RP bows out and supports Mitt (for whatever reason) would give Mitt maybe an extra 5% of voters. The other 15% that are RP supporters will either vote for Obama or more likely simply stay home.

Normally I'd agree but folks like Pillsbury make me think otherwise. In this thread alone he's already trying to justify bending on the reasons why he supports RP to vote for Romney instead of GJ. Know what I mean?

Given the Paul Romney alliance at the last debate in attacking Santorum I'd say its likely romney made a deal with Ron Paul to offer Rand the ticket. My guess is like everything else Romney says he will flip flop on this as well.

The other weird thing is on most issues - especially gays, drugs, military, tax breaks for corporations, etc., Romney is even more opposite the Paul mindset than is Obama. Kind of shows you the Pauls, like all other politicians, really don't have any principal. The primary difference of course being that Ron Paul is likely going to get charged with fraud soon for stealing taxpayer money, but okey dokey paultards. Keep it up!

Originally Posted by nutcase

The primary difference of course being that Ron Paul is likely going to get charged with fraud soon for stealing taxpayer money, but okey dokey paultards. Keep it up!

Ummm... wat

Originally Posted by Tippster

Ummm... wat

Google Ron Paul double dipping. Maybe he won't get charged, but he definitely has been ripping off taxpayers and donors. More damning is that when it was pointed out to him that what he was doing was wrong he continued to do it. but you know, he's Ron Paul, so his fans will forgive him.

Huh - I had no idea. Will forward to my editor.

In other words RP is a politician just like all the rest. Gee, who would have thunk it?

Originally Posted by nutcase

Google Ron Paul double dipping. Maybe he won't get charged, but he definitely has been ripping off taxpayers and donors. More damning is that when it was pointed out to him that what he was doing was wrong he continued to do it. but you know, he's Ron Paul, so his fans will forgive him.

BFD.
First of all I think it's mostly bullshit. If it did happen it wasn't wide spread, and quite frankly I don't really give too much of a fuck. When viewed in comparison to what the other candidates have done it's completely irrelevant.

Also, Ron Paul has:
* Never voted to raise taxes
* Never voted for an unbalanced budget
* Never taken a government paid junket
* Never voted to increase the power of the executive branch
* Voted against the Patriot Act
* Voted against regulating the internet
* Voted against the Iraq War
* Doesn't participate in the congressional pension program
* Returns a portion of his annual budget to the Treasury every year

Originally Posted by Pillsbury

BFD.
First of all I think it's mostly bullshit. If it did happen it wasn't wide spread, and quite frankly I don't really give too much of a fuck. When viewed in comparison to what the other candidates have done it's completely irrelevant.

Also, Ron Paul has:
* Never voted to raise taxes
* Never voted for an unbalanced budget
* Never taken a government paid junket
* Never voted to increase the power of the executive branch
* Voted against the Patriot Act
* Voted against regulating the internet
* Voted against the Iraq War
* Doesn't participate in the congressional pension program
* Returns a portion of his annual budget to the Treasury every year

And I also think it is bullshit the RP and Mitt have worked out a deal to make Rand Mitt's VP. Adding Rand to his ticket does little for Mitt IMO.
Sadly, whether RP goes after Mitt or any other leader of the month will not make a difference as to his eventual electability as POTUS.
The main stream Redumblicunt doesn't like RP. Shit, there is about 20% of what he states that I think is total BS, but I can get behind the other 80%. My Redumblicunt friends like Insanetorum. Baby Jeebus help us.