Thread: Spring ski: 95mm, 25m radius, 1.8kg, rockered tip.

Took my LPs (176cm/97mm) out couple of days ago. Just cant get my head around how much peeps of cham have managed to cram some much awesomeness in one ski.

Just fantasizing that 4-8cm more length with 200-400 grams less weight per ski, with the same performance... oh man.

Correction to Bro weights: 183 is 1773g = 3.90 lbs/ski.
179 is 1720g = 3.79 lbs/ski.

There might be some 183s left, prices are better now, probably $800, maybe better if they close out the 183s. There is much competition in that midfat category, and PMGear can barely keep up with its orders for its new fat, all-carbon lines, so the thinner models may get the squeeze. I've been looking at standard 183s or Fat 187s for a very different use (sit-skiing), but the common traits are *toughness* (I put 240lbs on one ski!) and versatility. The carbon layers are supposed to be a big contributor to both.

I expect they will keep at least one midfat with some changes, probably the 179s, especially for AT use.

The baron is not what you are looking for specifically but I will sell them cheap.

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For what would a rocker be good in spring??? Better traversing of snowslide balls and ol avalanches?

No one mentioned, as far as i see the Dynastar Mythic Light . . . (no rocker, true, but a good ski, close to the measurements).

195 wood core ak rocket swallowtails, with dukes, setup is like new besides some rust on the edges, but not much. Will sell for $300. They have early rise tips despite being a few years before they started calling them that.

Originally Posted by uli

For what would a rocker be good in spring??? Better traversing of snowslide balls and ol avalanches?

No one mentioned, as far as i see the Dynastar Mythic Light . . . (no rocker, true, but a good ski, close to the measurements).

Spring!






G3 Soulfly. 83mm waist with a shark nose tip, about 6.5 lbs for the pair at 178. Perfect for long tours full of slop and surprise powder. Edge grip is so so for a narrow ski. Soft snow performance is weirdly awesome. Price is insanely cheap right now.

Originally Posted by uli

For what would a rocker be good in spring??? Better traversing of snowslide balls and ol avalanches?

No one mentioned, as far as i see the Dynastar Mythic Light . . . (no rocker, true, but a good ski, close to the measurements).

Not sure what your spring snow looks like, but in the Sierra corn snow can easily be 3 dimensional outside of the resorts. It starts out
hard in the morning and slowly softens until boot top depths are easily reached. Rocker helps for that... Once it gets boot top, it's
time to head home due to the wet snow slide danger. Corn here is second only to Powder for 3D skiing fun...

I'm having a great time this spring on my Vector's.

Originally Posted by bbense

Not sure what your spring snow looks like, but in the Sierra corn snow can easily be 3 dimensional outside of the resorts. It starts out
hard in the morning and slowly softens until boot top depths are easily reached. Rocker helps for that... Once it gets boot top, it's
time to head home due to the wet snow slide danger. Corn here is second only to Powder for 3D skiing fun...

I'm having a great time this spring on my Vector's.

Booker! As you know me too. Recently i put off the Switchback and mounted a Dynafit. IMHO this ski is skiing better in fixed than in free heel (speaking of the last season's model that with the "pyjama" design ;-) ). I'm considering it a really great all-over-the-season randonee ski.

But, frankly, spring snow for us means transformed snow, hard in the morning and corn snow in the afternoon (in lower regions even mud). Contradicting myself, actually, here around where i live (swiss part of Mt Blanc region) we have winter - about 40 cm of snow above 2.000m.

I can understand the rocker for fresh snow but on transformed snow much less. In any case, i insist the Dynastar Mythic Light is a great ski especially when it comes to steeps!

As Uli said, dynastar got something very right with mythic/LPs. I prolly should weight my 176s LPs how much they weight, I could think something around sub 4kg for a pair?

Used my LP105s in 184 with dynas on few escapades this spring, 4000m+ peaks,coulies and jumpturns.
Nice skis ,but they start go over the invisible weight limit and you start to feel the pain, when you skin 1.5k/day above 3000 meters. Skiing was a bliss but the difference between the LP105s old LPs is very small as the speeds tend to be so much slower when doing bc stuff.

I hope the rumors are true with Down skis putting some metal in their CD4s... Very similar shape to LPs
and with some clever gizmoing, they even could keep the weight low...
Fingers crossed.


I personally almost pulled the trigger on movements logic Xs, but after talked to couple of skandis who had skied them in really shitty conditions, I bailed. Apparently very good skis overall, but the weight started to show on icy & shitty snow where they were very tiresome to ski. So there seems to be a fine line there as well : too light vs a bit more weight with metal...

Not sure if anyone mentioned it yet, but the Ski Logik Piton fits your bill almost exactly, albeit with a slightly shorter turning radius than you want. 94mm underfoot, tip rocker, 3200g for the pair in a 183. As light as anything out there in comparable size, but will probably feel a little more solid due to carbon fiber construction.

http://skilogik.com/skis-backcountry-piton.php

I just got a pair that I'm going to mount up with the new La Sportiva RT bindings for an incredibly light spring/summer touring setup.

There's no need for rocker tip after the spring consolidation. Indeed, a traditional camber ski skins better on firm spring morning snow and are better on firm traverses (skinning or gliding) and long glide outs. I really like my current spring touring skis: 185cm Trab Stelvio Light XL, 90mm waist, 23m radius, quite stiff, very light (1.3kg per ski), really tough for such a light ski, stable but quick turning, really good edge hold. Of course, any ski that light will get thrown around in some conditons (especially with TLT5 boots) but it's not so bad and a small price to pay for such lightweight skis.

ETA: Light weight and, especially, light swing weight, really helps on longer spring trips when the skis spend lots of time on your pack. IMO, that's reason #1 to have a lightweight spring ski.

ETA2: OP, what boot are you on? Make a big difference. Light soft boots (the way to go for spring touring IME) work better with shorter radius skis.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

There's no need for rocker tip after the spring consolidation.

Sun cups.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

There's no need for rocker tip after the spring consolidation.

I would say thats simply not true, but I guess it is just personal preference. There is a reason almost every single ski, non powder skis included, has at least a little tip rocker. Easier turn initiation, less chattery through crud/variable conditions, and could probably help coming through soggy deep slush, all of which are desirable in a touring ski...

So, you're saying one needs a rocker tip after the spring consolidation? Amazing how the term "need" gets misused around here. How did all those tourists survive all those decades, millions of miles and millions of verts before rocker? Need? Nah. And, BTW, your suggestion that "almost every single ski. . . has at least a little tip rocker" is not true -- unless you are defining tip rocker in a very strange way. (Note that Lou D says the Manaslu is not a rockered ski by his definition.)

Most experienced tourists around these parts are on non-rockered skis after the spring consolidation, e.g., Trabs, Atomic Kailas, K2 Shuksan/MB/MB Light, Dynafit Mustagh/7 Summits/etc., pre-2010 Mantra, M-Rock, etc.

ETA: Our spring touring season in WA and BC usually starts in late April and goes into June and often July, and we often deal with firm conditions where camber and edging really help. Maybe something is getting lost in the interpretation of "spring touring," which, in the interior west, often involves a few weeks of rotten bottomless snow.

Originally Posted by Big Steve

So, you're saying one needs a rocker tip after the spring consolidation? Amazing how the term "need" gets misused around here. How did all those tourists survive all those decades, millions of miles and millions of verts before rocker?

Certainly not needed, just becoming more common in more models (K2 has some form of "rocker" in most models...not that I care about K2) and preferred by more people. Personally in many non-powder conditions I like having a bit of tip rocker (rocker, early rise, whatever you want to call it...everyone has their own definition), although I agree on the steep icy terrain its not needed and perhaps better without it.

The OP was looking for a ski with tip rocker, and I think a spring ski with a bit of rise in the tip makes it just a little more versatile for everything but the sketchiest descents...

Wailer 99

And I agree with Bean and Powdurr

Tip rocker in spring is a good thing. I ended up on some Voile Vectors and really happy I have their (elegant?) rockered tip and shovel shaped tip. Fucking smooth ride. Great skis for the shape/weight/price. And great shape all round. IMHO they beat the 08/09 Manaslu's for performance, but hard to say as my vectors are a little too short. Can't compare to the newer 'slu. And I'm riding patterned bases (don't knock them, I'm killing it on fish scales on corn, my mind has been opened).

Originally Posted by Hohes

Originally Posted by Kidwoo

Start a thread on a narrower praxis freeride.


I mean shit, that's what I would do.

If you named your modified Protest the Wootest.... I'll call my narrower lighter version of the Freeride the Ho-ride. You heard me.

Not that this peon (me) had any influence on the ubermen designers at The House of Praxis, but it appears they called "my ski" the Yeti. A missed opportunity in my opinion, but hey, this ski will probably have a strong shot at being the best in this class, so who cares what they call it.

http://www.praxisskis.com/shop/buy-s...&category_id=6

Good work, Praxis. Special thanks for a 23m radius.

^^I know, right! I thought of this thread as soon as I saw that ski. Thought I was all set for next season, but I might just need it.

Rocker is great for gliding over sun cups and runnels...plus there are quite a few skis out there with rocker that still have great edge hold (Blizzard makes a number of 'em, btw).

That said, has anybody mentioned the Blizzard Bonafide?

98mm waist
Tip rocker
slight tail rocker
mid-20s radius

skied it last spring up on Ebbetts Pass in Cali and it handled the cups, runnels, and mushy snow like a champ.

it's on my high list for my new A/T set-up.

BTW, kabookie (w/o metal) is the AT version of the bonafide

Originally Posted by dookey67

That said, has anybody mentioned the Blizzard Bonafide?

98mm waist
Tip rocker
slight tail rocker
mid-20s radius

You bet I did. But too heavy for the regular miles I do.

And then we have the worlds best kept secret: kabookie [still a touch too heavy]

Sounds extremely similar (on paper) to the K2 Hardside.

Now you say it, they do, doosn't they. Hardside was also just a touch too heavy v.s. waist width. (1.9kg).

True. And I'm pretty sure it's heavier than the stated weight. But it does have metal in it...

Frankly though, I'm psyched for the Yeti. Lighter and (probably) as stiff as the Hardside. Personally, I don't think you or I need something like the Hardside - it's simply too wide and heavy. We have skis like the W112RP/191 Fat for mid-winter touring so why would I want something heavier for the spring? I want a light, narrower ski for spring touring. Hence why I'm stoked on the Yeti. (I might even look into something super light, like the Movement Logic-X that Jonathan S. suggested in another thread. Just to have something different.)

Anybody mention Praxis Backcountry?

While it's 108 under waist, it's light, nimble and has tip rocker and a slightly upturned tail. Radius is 26m, I believe. Everybody I know on that sucker loves it.

Not sure why the Kabookie (shouldn't it be Kabuki?) is "the world's best kept secret"...it's a new ski for 2012/2013, so technically it hasn't even come out on the market yet for the general public.