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02-15-2012, 01:38 PM #1
What ski is this?
I'm starting to think about next year's quiver. Here's what I want:
- Balanced float
- Does not over-engage or drag when making big GS turns
- A flex and camber profile conducive to bouncing smaller turns (regular or flat camber)
- Stiff enough to absorb bumpy terrain but not so stiff that the ride is jarring
- Good edge grip and intuitive at carved turns
- Tails that are easy to break loose
What ski is this?
- 186 EHP - close but too straight. I like everything about it but want more shape
- 186 Renegade - ridiculously frictionless in the open but not playful in the trees, probably due to the full reverse camber
- 182 Turbo - give me a wider version of these with more tip and tail taper and longer rocker and I'm happy
Suggestions for 11/12 models would be preferred since it would be awesome to pick up the skis on sale or used.
02-15-2012, 02:06 PM #2
Wootest!!!!!! End of discussion... Naw but seriously have not been on mine yet...
02-15-2012, 02:08 PM #3
check out the Dynastar Cham
107 or 127 waistPOWDER SKIER
COLD RAIN and SNOW
02-15-2012, 02:15 PM #4
02-15-2012, 02:16 PM #5
02-15-2012, 02:19 PM #6
Prophet/Influence 115?It doesn't matter if you're a king or a little street sweeper...
...sooner or later you'll dance with the reaper
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02-15-2012, 02:44 PM #7
02-15-2012, 02:45 PM #8
Hey D (C), I haven't been on the Rengade (but wondering if I wanna buy it at my local shop) and I disagree about the thought that fullreverse camber is what makes it not a bushwacking machine. Look at something like the Kuro, it must be one of the greatest treeskiing ski of all time.
Anyhow, as I am leaning towards trying the 4frnts EHP, Renegade and deff the Hoji, I can recommend on my side to try the Whitedot Redeemer. They come wideenough at 128 and has a lot of nice taper. On hardpack they are actually fun.
Even one is content with at least part of ones quiver it is always place for something new....
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02-15-2012, 03:18 PM #9
02-15-2012, 03:31 PM #10
02-15-2012, 03:43 PM #11Registered User
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I was trying not to reply to this thread, because I'm not 100% sure what you're looking for in the ski or how it's going to fit into your quiver. I haven't skied enough different skis to really get an idea of how to translate the specific characteristics you mentioned into how a ski feels to me. Virgin Renegades and WooTests are sitting in my dining room waiting for mounts and better snow, so I really should wait and ski the Renegades to give a baseline comparison to a ski you own and know well.
But honestly, I would give some serious thought to the 191 Lhasa Pow Fats. They are amazing. The only reason I'm hesitant to say "Get them immediately" is I'm not sure how well they are "bouncing smaller turns." But mine are the uber stiff carbon version, so maybe that's easier with slightly-softer hybrid. I'm 5'11" and 165#, with very little leg strength (far too many injuries), and they are not too much ski for me. (If you're much smaller than I am, maybe look at the 187 Fat or 183 Fat models, but I haven't skied them, so I obviously can't recommend them.)
I suspect the WooTests will not offer the hardpack performance you are seeking, but I would happy to be proven wrong."Alpine rock and steep, deep powder are what I seek, and I will always find solace there." - Bean Bowers
shroom put it best: "Man, you're one biased motherfucker."
02-15-2012, 03:47 PM #12
Put simply......they carve on harder snow. They've got a big rockered tip that doesn't touch the stuff for a signficant portion of it's length though, like a lot of other rockered skis. This does two things......makes them really easy to ski......but also not provide as much edge contact as a more 'normal' ski of the same length. So if you're looking for a groomer zoomer than you can lay out all over your shins on and dig trenches at 50mph......this ain't it. There are better skis for that. But that's not what it was designed for anyway. JefferyJim got a pair of of 196s which should help this one single aspect of it so I'm kind of curious to see what he says. But like I've said from the beginning....the wootest is a ski made for 3D snow that is still tolerable/workable/enjoyable on 2D snow. And it'll blow away any groomer railer in what it's designed for. Just depends on what you want. I like stiff race skis that you can really drive the tips on too. But no ski does both perfectly.......as I'm sure you know.
On really shitty, bumped out/barely covered/'have to turn here, here and here to get through this' kind of terrain, they're really easy to throw around though.
I'm actually surprised you don't think the EHPs fit what it sounds like you're looking for to be honest.
If you're thinking praxis, maybe think Concept model?
Edit: looking at your original checklist, the wootest does fit them all IMO.......but there are more appropriate/better hard snow skis out there
Last edited by kidwoo; 02-15-2012 at 04:11 PM.
02-15-2012, 03:52 PM #13
Squad 7 seems like it.60% of the time, it works every time.
02-15-2012, 04:07 PM #14Registered User
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Folsom Johnny C
Subtle front rocker
Very subtle rear rocker
Medium - medium - medium flex tip to tail (custom calibrated to your height/weight and ski style)
Slap whatever graphic you want on there and it's a done deal.First 360 mute grab --> Andrew Sheppard --> Snowdrifters 1996
02-15-2012, 04:32 PM #15
I want the exact same ski and I almost had it in the 189cm Icelantic Keepers that I regrettably sold. The only thing I did not like about those skis was they had too much camber which made them too "poppy" in GS style turns in the deep snow.
I replaced them with the 186 Bodacious and found that I could not drive the tips in the deep snow requiring me to sit more over my heels than I was hoping.
Looking at what is coming out for 2012/13 I am actually pretty excited about the Atomic Automatic in a 193cm. It appears that the big tip rocker, mild tail rocker and medium flex (although some reviews seem to vary here) may be the perfect all mountain 3D snow ski that can still lay train tracks on the groomers.
Anyway, I am also searching so I am interested to hear the balance of this discussion.
02-15-2012, 04:33 PM #16
More shape than the EHP, but with a very long early rise tip, so not hooky at all. More lively than metal-dynastar-charger damp, but does not get bounced around easily.
Not likely to smear and slarve as well as the Wootest (come on for f's sake, get the reviews going, we're dying to hear about them), but nice and buttery on corn and windbuff, with tails easily disengaged. AND will lay trenches on groomers at high speeds.
02-15-2012, 04:44 PM #17
02-15-2012, 04:48 PM #18
Just wait till after this weekend where I plan on skiing them IN some cold snow until my face falls off. I should also be getting my camera back from canon tomorrow for some pretty pikshurz...... I can promise you, no one on this planet is more annoyed with the situation than me right now. The worst snow year in decadeS here does mean something. I don't know what's up with the rest of these slackers that have them and live somewhere it's been snowing.
02-15-2012, 04:59 PM #19
I can only imagine your frustration - but look at it as character-building.
Btw, any news on Praxis rolling these out next season?
Sorry for the thread-jack DC, and happy hunting for your perfect ski
02-15-2012, 05:26 PM #20
02-15-2012, 05:35 PM #21
bibby special/governor, like the current bibby pro but no rocker tail = better firm snow performance.... jfost is really ignorant, he often just needs simple facts laid out for him...
02-15-2012, 05:56 PM #22
02-15-2012, 06:22 PM #23
02-15-2012, 09:43 PM #24
Super, super fun ski, and very versatile.
I take it anywhere now.
Review here- http://williamrichmondski.blogspot.c...ck-review.htmlSkiing: even when it's bad it's GOOD.
02-15-2012, 09:58 PM #25
Picked it up as a touring-in-marginal-conditions ski and it's pretty much all I ski now. It does pretty much everything you want, and the 118 underfoot seem right about what you're talking about. Rumor has it 185 is sold out though.No, the real point is, I don't give a damn