Thread: 2012/2013 ON3P SIA Photos and Discussion

About the most beautiful thing ever seen.

Fucking gorgeous.

Some more photos from the show...
http://www.lunarsolarcreative.com/sia-2012/









Few more photos of skis on the above link.

And yeah really liking the bamboo topsheets. I am experimenting with some stuff to make it more durable, but once we figure out something good we will do a limit run of them.

I think I'm going to be due for the 12/13 BG 186. The changes you guys are making are exactly what I want to stay with the ski. I'm salivating. Still on the original first production run BG's and despite the easy to overcome quirks I love the ski. The only issue I have with them is low angle tight pow on crust where sometimes the tails won't release without a bunch of effort but it's only an issue on runouts anyway. My buddy has the 11/12 176 and he has been killing everywhere with them. If there was a presale I'm looking to pull the trigger so I'll be looking for that or other options if that doesn't happen (hoping it does but understand if it doesn't).

Also glad to see the 166 option available as a possible option for the wife.

So Sick I just got back from Colorado and loved my 191 BG's They killed it in every condition i encountered except ice. New Topsheets look sick and with a Touring model thats lighter thats all I could ask for. Can't wait for the Pre-sale, keep us posted

Any chance you guys need someone to test a pair of the tour BGs in and around Hood for little while? I would be happy to write a review and provide feedback.

Bonus: It will only take me 10 minutes to bike to your new factory location and pick them up

Don't know what is standard, but my viciks (first years) are tuned at 3/1 and dont suck.

Xavier, what drove your decision on a 3° side bevel? With my Dynafits/viciks (1st yr) I'm at 1/1 with detuned tips/tails and I still find them hooky when I venture to hardpack so I'm interested in altering the tune.

Originally Posted by klikboom

Xavier, what drove your decision on a 3° side bevel? With my Dynafits/viciks (1st yr) I'm at 1/1 with detuned tips/tails and I still find them hooky when I venture to hardpack so I'm interested in altering the tune.

Owning 2 pairs of Vicik's, I have never found the ski to be the least bit hooky.

FWIW I was running a 2 degree side bevel. I liked it for just that extra little bite when hitting a piece of wind scoured ridge ice.

Originally Posted by klikboom

Xavier, what drove your decision on a 3° side bevel? With my Dynafits/viciks (1st yr) I'm at 1/1 with detuned tips/tails and I still find them hooky when I venture to hardpack so I'm interested in altering the tune.

3 on the base 1 on the side, sorry for the confusion. I like my skis slarvy, so esentially I just kept increasing the base angle, and never really felt like I lost to much edge control. ON3P's lay up/construction, does a really good job of distributing pressure to the edge, so you can get away with a looser base bevel than you would otherwise. I ran my XXLs at the same setting.

Slightly off topic...

I am having a difficult time finding a comparison of the 11/12 186 bg vs the 11/12 191 bg regarding how they ski. Can someone point me in the right direction or have any experience they would like to share having skiied both?

Also, if anyone with around a 310 bsl is interested in swapping their 186's for my 191's for a run or two at breck and or vail, hit me up.

I know this is the 2012/2013 thread, but I have some 2011/2012 191 Caylors for sale with only 4 ski days on them. In perfect shape. PM me if you're interested in some basically new skis.

The 2013's seem to play nicely with some of their older brothers:

Deep conversations between family members at Steamboat, 2/22/12

^^^nice pic, those skis are definately gorgeous!

Still have not put a day on my 191 Billys with Orange Pivots and hope to when I make it to Bach... I am surprise to hear that there is such a performance difference between the 11/12 and 12/13's, but with the pic showing 3 generations you can def see the difference in tip profile... Absolutely love my 191 Wrens and will still use these daily, but def wanted something with more float and "smeariness" and feel like I will get this with my Billys when there is decent fresh to be had...

I love to see the constant tweking going on with the line up, but almost makes me feel my not yet used 191 Billys are already obsolete... Would love to try next years Wren and compare them to my first gen Wrens as it looks like the shape and ski have changed quite a bit... I will say I am a ON3P addict and absolutely fell in love with my Grzzly Corn Viciks when in Steamboat - of course missed the huge storm, but at least got two days of fresh... Skiied everything well and handled it all...!

^^^ I don't want to sound like the 1st Gen 191 BG's are bad in pow...the difference between the 2012 and 2013 191's is minimal, but for me and how I usually ski very forward, I can notice that updated tip shape quite a bit. They feel more "Caylorish" as far as surface area at the very front of the ski, which is a giant plus for me.

Both of the 191's are more than capable of smearing (both have RES), it is just the little tweaks on this 2013 that are now stoking my fire...but my buddy, who is on those 2012's loves them and barely notices the differences between his and my 2013's. He does ski more of a centered position, though.

I think either 191 you are on is a great step up over the 186 if you are looking for a bit more beef, and for sure more stability on long run outs and mach-schnell tree/chute exits

PT,

Thanks for the reply and feedback... I have no doubt I will love the Billys and will fill a niche I wanted filled... Your comments about skiing forward are interesting as this is exactly how I ski and have always pressured the shit out of my tongues, but feel that the beef of this ski will be more than adequate - at least I hope...

One last quick question... Your reveiw of the orig 191 Wren is what turned me on to ON3P and the reason for purchasing the Wren over the 195 MoShips... Have you had a chance to ski next years Wren and if yes how do you think they compare to the orig Wrens...?

Thanks...! Always dig your reviews...!

The 11.12 191 Billy Goat is a better compliment to the wrenegade than the 12.13 191 Billy Goat.

Originally Posted by PhiberAwptik

a little note on next years 186 Jeffery. I have been on it a couple of months. I will wait until a little later to give the full blown review. I will say that it has completely wrecked my quiver. It's that good in so many situations.

You've been on both the BG and the Jeffery and are effusive in your praise of each. While the former has reverse elliptical and the latter "merely" elliptical sidecut, the dimensions would imply some decent amount of overlap. Could you provide some compare/contrast, "this is better for that while that is better for this" insight? Thanks.

Originally Posted by Sullywhacker

You've been on both the BG and the Jeffery and are effusive in your praise of each. While the former has reverse elliptical and the latter "merely" elliptical sidecut, the dimensions would imply some decent amount of overlap. Could you provide some compare/contrast, "this is better for that while that is better for this" insight? Thanks.

I have only been on the first and second generation 186 BG's. My interest in the Billygoat at this point would be in 191 as a pow ski. Whereas the Jeffery is more of an everyday (in my eyes) soft snow ski with some jibbier tendencies. The Jeffery is also a more symetrical ski while the BG is a lot more directional 5 point design.

So it depends on how you ski. I enjoyed the second gen BG in untracked, I like a ski with a little more tail for later in the day.

All that said I have yet to get on a 191 Billygoat.

Just for clarity, the difference between the 12/13 186cm BG and 191cm BG is now just the length. I can basically ski them back to back and they work the same for me. So get whichever one is size appropriate. It isn't like the 11/12 186cm vs 191cm where they are fairly different designs.

Oh and as far as Jeffrey vs BG overlap....maybe slightly in overall function, but not a ton. I could ski a 2 ski quiver and be covered for everything - 191cm BG for everyday/soft snow. 186cm Jeffrey for low-snow days and park.

For all the Colorado folks that have been asking, here is your first chance to demo:

Loveland, Sunday and Monday!!! (4th and 5th)

http://www.skiloveland.com/events/

Hope to see you out there, and Rowen and Kip will be running things with a ton of skis in tow. Look for the ON3P banners and come try some of the stuff you have been lusting about.

Blah, of course I am out of town this weekend... sounds like a fun event, I'm pissed to miss out. I hope it goes well!

Any chance of having another CO demo day this season or early next?

Originally Posted by MJbumper1121

Blah, of course I am out of town this weekend... sounds like a fun event, I'm pissed to miss out. I hope it goes well!

Any chance of having another CO demo day this season or early next?

please!
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I had a blast on my 09/10 wrenegades today. I look forward to checking out the update on these.

the new 11-12 wrenegades. are the tits. fyi. a beast in the crust, but suprisingly nimble in the soft and deep.... even in a 191 I don't find them too overpowering. just do it.

Originally Posted by volklpowdermaniac

the new 11-12 wrenegades. are the tits. fyi. a beast in the crust, but suprisingly nimble in the soft and deep.... even in a 191 I don't find them too overpowering. just do it.

I am a HUGE fan of the 12/13 as well...BIG TIME. The demo at the LUV went very well the last two days, it was good to see so many smiles under the Colorado sun.

As for another Colorado demo day, I know Scott and the boys are looking for a time in late March, or early April.